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 Originally Posted by fasin8ing
So on the turn the pot was offering me 3:1 odds. I can add one more bet to that to get about 4:1 to make my straight because he has 4 dollars left. I put him on K Q, K 10 , maybe a small PP. I add the one more bet on there because I can expect to get paid off at least one extra bet if I hit my straight. Implied odds really dont have anything to do with how much your opponent has left unless they push. If he had pushed into the flop or the turn than yes, my implied odds would have sucked and it would have been - EV for me to continue. Correct me if Iam mistaken. No disagreeing with you, I understood it this way.
Implied odds have almost everything to do with how much your opponent has left. If Im play $0.25/.50 and my opponent raises to $2 and I have 88 and think I need a set to win should I still call if he only has $8 left after that bet? No, becuase he doesnt have enough to pay me off. Your implied odds against a short stack are not as good as they would be against a big stack [assuming both would call/bet/raise, etc. the same % of the time]. Given his stack size I do not think this play is +EV, regardless of his stack I dont think it would ever be +EV, the hand is 42o, making two pair with that hand is very vulnerable, your only shot is to make a straight [or a full house]. If you are going to mix it up, dont do it with total junk. And you said that his flop bet was a standard cbet, why did you call it? You had no draws other than runner runner at this point and calling wont make him fold and you didnt float trying to push him off his handon the turn. To pick off cbets you cant call unless you are planning on getting them off the hand on the turn or river. The order of options on this flop from best to worst would go fold, raise, call.
 Originally Posted by fasin8ing
I had a few reads on Father on playing Ace rags or TPNK all the way down.. But doesnt make sense to post every hand on here how father plays. I wouldnt suggest you raise that flop either with Top pair Jack kicker. With father playing any ace, when you raise and he calls, I think you wouldnt know where you are in the hand. I was OOP this hand and calling is fine and checking behind is the right move.
You never mentioned that, you simply showed one hand and said "we have gained a read." The flop is 3 way, he bet the pot, in this situation I dont mind calling, if he had bet closer to 1/2 pot I would have raised. I dont have a problem with the turn and river, I just wouldnt have minded a flop raise to get the pot headsup, I dont really like calling down PSBs without a stronger hand than this.
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