Every time any one minbets UTG ever,

[samsonite2100]

they have QQ-AA.

y/n?

[martindcx1e]

they have QQ-AA.

y/n?

i assume you mean min-raise?

[samsonite2100]

Yeah, that's what I meant--preflop

[martindcx1e]

i say no. it does not always mean that.

[bair]

ive minraised utg w/o those hands, so no.

[samsonite2100]

OK, I was kind of going for a laugh w/ the "every time" bit, but seriously, 80/90% of the time? I see it constantly...

[jackvance]

Do you mean if you raise say 4BB, they make it 8BB - or that they raise an unraised pot to 2BB?

[WhooFleuryScores]

When someone minraises like that I put them to be a donkey and call with my PP or SC in position and pray that I outflop them and take a stack.

[twosevoff]

I'd say roughly half of the time a random utg minraiser will have a monster hand, while the other half of the time it represents a marginally strong hand. Definitely not 80-90% of the time.

[Renton]

nah they usually just limp in

[samsonite2100]

Do you mean if you raise say 4BB, they make it 8BB - or that they raise an unraised pot to 2BB?

They raise an unraised pot to two BB.

I'd say roughly half of the time a random utg minraiser will have a monster hand, while the other half of the time it represents a marginally strong hand.

Yeah, this actually seems right. I guess it just always stands out when people do it. I will say that on Bodog it might be more like 75% of the time--I need to take a break from that site, it's skewing my poker worldview...

[WhooFleuryScores]

It happens alot on party;some people will honestly minraise AA/KK/AKs/QQ and then overbet the flop once they get their $3 pot.I usually call looking for a monster since they've priced us all in.

[Rondavu]

Minraise UTG is in and of itself undefining. It's player specific.

[jackvance]

Do you mean if you raise say 4BB, they make it 8BB - or that they raise an unraised pot to 2BB?

They raise an unraised pot to two BB.

I have noticed this too, but I put it kinda different for myself. It's not "minraise - uh oh he has AA/KK/QQ".. more like "minraise - be aware that it might very well be a monster". Sometimes it's really just a marginally good hand however. A few showdowns will make you all the wiser here, since people don't often change their habits.

Yesterday I bled a guy dry because I saw through his habit of "raising crap 8BB and continu to bluff it hard" and "minraising real hands". I added 2/3 to my stack because I called him down with AK on his hefty raises (river was check/check and I won with A high), and a bit later called his minraise with a suited gapper and hit two crappy pair and took the remainder of his stack on his AA. This was all pretty read-based, because in the latter case there were also flush/straight options so I don't normally put my stack on bottom two pair but in this case I figured it would be AA/KK (maybe QQ or overplayed AK).

And a special thanks goes to the smallstack who called him down on his hard preflop raises and clued me off to his weird habit!

[Pelion]

anytime anyone open-minraises UTG they are a donkey. Thats pretty much all you can say. Ive seen it with AA, Axs, 66, JTs and all sorts. It basically means they suck.

[lolzzz_321]

IT'S CALLED A STRADDLE

[flomo]

It happens alot on party;some people will honestly minraise AA/KK/AKs/QQ and then overbet the flop once they get their $3 pot.I usually call looking for a monster since they've priced us all in.

i use this strat too ^^^


if i have a pp of 10-10 or j-j i like to reraise an amount that will trigger a reraise by a monster hand preflop, to find out if i'm beat preflop

[Lukie]

they have QQ-AA.

y/n?

WTF???


NO

[samsonite2100]

You've been waiting for just the right time to do that, huh?

If I send you chocolates, will we be good?

[stuck]

IT'S CALLED A STRADDLE

I LOOOVE straddling in home games.

But that's neither here nor there.

[Lukie]

You've been waiting for just the right time to do that, huh?

If I send you chocolates, will we be good?

haha ya,

and ya.

[Fnord]

No, it's usually something like KQ/AQ/AJ/AT/TTish trying to get you to define your hand on the cheap. I often re-raise these.

[Lodogg]

Anything wrong with doing this with small PP's as a blocking bet from a potential larger raise from the button with garbage?

[WhooFleuryScores]

Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.

[Lukie]

Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.

oh for gods sake

NL25, 100bb eff stacks

Fleury opens for $1 in MP with 22.

Lukie repops him to $3.35 in the CO with ??.

Who's getting the best of it here?

If you think it's Fleury, you are wrong.

If you think it's even close, you are wrong.

[mcatdog]

Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.

Believe it or not, you don't always win someone's stack when you hit a set.

[Lukie]

Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.

Believe it or not, you don't always win someone's stack when you hit a set.

Yeah, that and you don't always win the hand with a set.

Let's go back to my example.

Lukie is on the CO with AdKd.

Fleury opens for $1 with 22.

Lukie pot-raises to $3.35.

everyone folds but Fleury who calls.

Flop 2d 3c 8d. BINGO!!!

Fleury checks. Lukie bets $5. Fleury pushes all-in. Lukie calls.

Pot is $50. Just because fleury is a big favorite here (3:1), doesn't mean he should be entitled to the entire pot. He only has about 75% equity. He's put in $25 and has $37 equity, netting $12. In this instance, even given that he DID get it allin on the flop with a big edge, in hindsight, he still only got 6:1 in implied odds even given the fact that he got it allin, which he usually won't in this situation.