Two pair sucks...

[Renton]

***** Hand History for Game 4280773090 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 15, 23:23:24 ET 2006
Table Table 106829 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: wspfan23 ( $145.41 )
Seat 2: C_it_Commin ( $60.41 )
Seat 3: mKplusLc ( $91.95 )
Seat 5: sidcat ( $215.10 )
Seat 6: managleeglos ( $165.47 )
Seat 4: Renton555 ( $100 )
sidcat posts small blind [$0.50].
managleeglos posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Qc As ]
C_it_Commin calls [$1].
mKplusLc folds.
Renton555 raises [$4.50].
sidcat calls [$4].
managleeglos folds.
C_it_Commin calls [$3.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 7h, 6c ]
sidcat bets [$3].
C_it_Commin folds.
Renton555 raises [$9].
sidcat calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
sidcat checks.
Renton555 bets [$22].
sidcat calls [$22].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
sidcat checks.
Renton555 checks.




***** Hand History for Game 4280542223 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 15, 23:00:32 ET 2006
Table River Dude (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: NL222 ( $287.74 )
Seat 2: zajax711 ( $41.09 )
Seat 4: King1305 ( $90.60 )
Seat 5: MarcinJDE ( $78.59 )
Seat 6: cohep ( $72.50 )
Seat 3: Renton555 ( $117 )
Renton555 posts small blind [$0.50].
King1305 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ 9s 8s ]
cohep calls [$1].
NL222 folds.
zajax711 calls [$1].
Renton555 calls [$0.50].
King1305 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 8c, 3d ]
Renton555 bets [$3.80].
King1305 folds.
cohep calls [$3.80].
zajax711 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Renton555 bets [$11].
cohep calls [$11].
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Renton555 bets [$25].
cohep calls [$25].

[gabe]

1st is good, 2nd hand i check call the river hope to pick off a missed flush draw. that 3 is a terrible card to valuebet.

[Renton]

So you don't bet the river on the first one?

[donnybaker]

So you don't bet the river on the first one?

I may just be stating the obvious, but I see way too many people trying to checkraise the river to bet at an obvious made drawing hand with 2 pair.

[Lukie]

***** Hand History for Game 4280773090 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 15, 23:23:24 ET 2006
Table Table 106829 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: wspfan23 ( $145.41 )
Seat 2: C_it_Commin ( $60.41 )
Seat 3: mKplusLc ( $91.95 )
Seat 5: sidcat ( $215.10 )
Seat 6: managleeglos ( $165.47 )
Seat 4: Renton555 ( $100 )
sidcat posts small blind [$0.50].
managleeglos posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Qc As ]
C_it_Commin calls [$1].
mKplusLc folds.
Renton555 raises [$4.50].
sidcat calls [$4].
managleeglos folds.
C_it_Commin calls [$3.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 7h, 6c ]
sidcat bets [$3].
C_it_Commin folds.
Renton555 raises [$9].
sidcat calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
sidcat checks.
Renton555 bets [$22].
sidcat calls [$22].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
sidcat checks.
Renton555 checks.

[Lukie]

btw I think you are ahead on that river more times then you are going to see 66/77/2 clubs.

[Lukie]

BTW your flop raise in the first hand is like $6 into a $16 pot.

[aislephive]

First hand, I think a make a value bet here of $25 and fold to a raise. Most players will bet their made flush on the river since it's a definite scare card and you likely check behind.

Second hand, not sure what's with the river bet. Is this a bluff or what? The 3 was an awful card since now any ten beats you. I would definitely check and I may call a bet here. No worse hands are really calling your river bet, so no point to betting.

[Renton]

I missread the paired 3 in the second hand. In retrospect the three pretty much counterfeit my hand, because the hands I was trying to extract value from (such as overpair, top pair, etc) now beat me.

[dsaxton]

First hand bet the river, second hand check-call the river.

[Lukie]

First hand, I think a make a value bet here of $25 and fold to a raise.

he only has like $25 left.

[jackvance]

btw I think you are ahead on that river more times then you are going to see 66/77/2 clubs.

I agree that he woulda "pushed" a made hand at the river since it was less than half the pot anyway, but some people *really* like to slowplay against all common sense. Thing is, the Q on the turn doesn't really help you very much. I probably put him all-in there unless I have him pegged as a "slowplayer". (damn I swear it's the new hip thing to do almost)

And I feel bad for not instantly seeing how the 3 wrecked the 2p hand. Guess this hasn't come up too often for me.

[Lukie]

btw I think you are ahead on that river more times then you are going to see 66/77/2 clubs.

I agree that he woulda "pushed" a made hand at the river since it was less than half the pot anyway, but some people *really* like to slowplay against all common sense. Thing is, the Q on the turn doesn't really help you very much. I probably put him all-in there unless I have him pegged as a "slowplayer". (damn I swear it's the new hip thing to do almost)

And I feel bad for not instantly seeing how the 3 wrecked the 2p hand. Guess this hasn't come up too often for me.

The Q doesn't help us?

?

Doesn't help against AK/A7/A6/76?

I looked through this hand a while ago, but on the end it's like a third pot bet. In this specific hand, it's such a ridiculously easy value push it's not even funny...

[jackvance]

I'd say only against AK. Villain's line doesn't tell me 2p at all, and even AK is rather unlikely.. two pair isn't really the "monster" people slowplay down to the river with in my experience - and with good reason too imo.

Btw I do agree it's an easy push, because it's less than half pot at the very least..

[johnny_fish]

1st hand: Raise flop more, push turn.
2nd hand: c/f or c/c river, depending on read.

[aislephive]

First hand, I think a make a value bet here of $25 and fold to a raise.

he only has like $25 left.

Check that again.