Do the fish even run this bad?

[lambchopdc]

My last 3672 hands:





Worst run in history or is something dreadfully wrong??

[ilikeaces86]

ewwww

[jackvance]

Probably bad luck and then it ruined your game?

[Roco415]

interesting you are losing with trips and full houses, were u all in and getting sucked out on by two outers or just making bad reads?

[lambchopdc]

interesting you are losing with trips and full houses, were u all in and getting sucked out on by two outers or just making bad reads?

Here is a cute little example -

***** Hand History for Game 4297285163 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 17, 22:54:38 ET 2006
Table Table 107473 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: disguyzed ( $191.70 )
Seat 5: brbBBQ ( $203.55 )
Seat 1: ToastedMoses ( $155.22 )
Seat 3: qball44 ( $257.56 )
Seat 6: ibhucklberry ( $43.93 )
Seat 4: kcphlls1984 ( $121.07 )
ToastedMoses posts small blind [$1].
disguyzed posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ 3h 3d ]
qball44 calls [$2].
brbBBQ calls [$2].
>You have options at Table 107878 Table!.
ToastedMoses: nh
ibhucklberry calls [$2].
ToastedMoses folds.
>You have options at Table 106632 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 106660 (No DP) Table!.
disguyzed checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 2h, Jh ]
qball44: ty lucky
disguyzed checks.
>You have options at Table 107445 Table!.
qball44 bets [$2].
brbBBQ raises [$6].
ibhucklberry folds.
disguyzed folds.
qball44 raises [$8].
>You have options at Table 106660 (No DP) Table!.
brbBBQ raises [$18].
qball44 calls [$14].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
qball44 checks.
brbBBQ bets [$40].
qball44 raises [$80].
>You have options at Table 107878 Table!.
brbBBQ is all-In.
qball44 calls [$97.55].
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
>You have options at Table 106632 (No DP) Table!.
disguyzed: that flop kills you anyway
>You have options at Table 107413 Table!.
qball44 shows [ 2c, 2d ] four of a kind, twos.
brbBBQ doesn't show [ 3h, 3d ] a full house, Threes full of twos.
qball44 wins $410.10 from the main pot with four of a kind, twos.

[lambchopdc]

Probably bad luck and then it ruined your game?

I think you may be dead on.

[jackvance]

I think you may be dead on.

The forum is brim-filled with complain-posts from people in this situation, sigh..

[Lukie]

-20 buyins in 3500 hands, nice.

In all seriousness, the fact that AA/JJ, 3OK/FH are all in the red probably has a ton to do with variance and just terrible situations like the 33 hand you posted.

I'd also imagine that there are a ton of leaks in your game, as there undoubtedly will be with any player that is relatively new to cash games. If it makes you feel any better, I dropped over 5 buyins at the NL400 game on stars 2 nights ago.

[aislephive]

I was railing a friend on Party last night and you stacked him with AQ on a Q9x flop against his TJs. Just thought I'd bring that up for no particular reason.

It appears you're running bad right now, and you just have to play through it. Downswings are believe it or not a blessing in disguise, they help you grow as a player. Bad beats, suckouts, cold decks and variance all are the name of the game.

[jackvance]

I had an amazing run of cards an hour ago. I actually started to feel ashamed and somewhat guilty towards the other players at the table..

[r8ed]

I went through PT today and looked at all the "big hands" I lost. Most of them were overpairs where my bet was raised at some point in the hand and didn't back down. Look at your big PPs and see if that's the case with you. The more you lose, the more you try to push things when you have hands you are "supposed to win with". 75% of the time I'm beat and the other 25% they hit their hand on a later street. This will no longer be a leak in my game. I'm folding every time unless I have a very precise read.

Another thing. I found several hands where I knew the player was weak and cards on the board should make them fold to my big bet (bluff). They don't care most of the time so if you can't beat a PP or Ace high then just check and look foolish when they check behind. Better to look foolish than to lose more money.

Anyway, you'll turn it around. Just focus on having positive sessions instead of trying to get it all back at once.

[lambchopdc]

I think the main horror has ended...finally....i sat down on a few tables today and did my best to focus on trying to read my opponents alot more than i usually do.....these were refreshing:

***** Hand History for Game 4329615648 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:02:39 ET 2006
Table Table 107394 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: brbBBQ ( $198 )
Seat 3: UVAHOO ( $209 )
Seat 5: uconn321 ( $197.40 )
Seat 1: natedawg8444 ( $74.53 )
uconn321 posts small blind [$1].
brbBBQ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Ac Ad ]
natedawg8444 folds.
UVAHOO raises [$7].
uconn321 folds.
brbBBQ raises [$13].
UVAHOO calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Jc, Td ]
brbBBQ bets [$15].
UVAHOO calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
brbBBQ bets [$35].
UVAHOO calls [$35].
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
brbBBQ is all-In.
UVAHOO calls [$133].
brbBBQ shows [ Ac, Ad ] a pair of aces.
UVAHOO shows [ 9d, Jd ] a pair of jacks.
brbBBQ wins $395 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

***** Hand History for Game 4330022712 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:45:53 ET 2006
Table Table 107407 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: brbBBQ ( $428.37 )
Seat 2: Lottster ( $226.65 )
Seat 5: luckylardy ( $413.55 )
Seat 3: garfield151 ( $170.25 )
Seat 4: Frozen_Hell ( $146 )
Seat 1: evillminnow_ ( $60.20 )
brbBBQ posts small blind [$1].
evillminnow_ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ 7c Ac ]
Lottster folds.
garfield151 raises [$7].
Frozen_Hell folds.
luckylardy folds.
brbBBQ calls [$6].
evillminnow_ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 4c, 6c ]
brbBBQ checks.
garfield151 bets [$15.20].
brbBBQ calls [$15.20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
brbBBQ checks.
garfield151 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
brbBBQ bets [$25].
garfield151 is all-In.
brbBBQ calls [$123.05].
brbBBQ shows [ 7c, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
garfield151 doesn't show [ Ah, Kh ] a pair of sixes.
brbBBQ wins $339.50 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.


***** Hand History for Game 4329641145 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:05:01 ET 2006
Table Table 107407 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: brbBBQ ( $276.90 )
Seat 4: bjybjy ( $383.83 )
Seat 2: Lottster ( $434.65 )
Seat 5: luckylardy ( $196.05 )
Seat 1: OtherPeoplesMoney ( $261.25 )
Seat 3: pokerisfun51 ( $156.10 )
bjybjy posts small blind [$1].
luckylardy posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Qs Js ]
brbBBQ raises [$8].
OtherPeoplesMoney folds.
Lottster folds.
pokerisfun51 calls [$8].
bjybjy folds.
luckylardy calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Ks, 6s ]
luckylardy checks.
brbBBQ bets [$14].
pokerisfun51 calls [$14].
luckylardy folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
brbBBQ bets [$30].
pokerisfun51 calls [$30].
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
brbBBQ bets [$115].
pokerisfun51 is all-In.
brbBBQ shows [ Qs, Js ] a flush, king high.
pokerisfun51 doesn't show [ Kd, Ac ] a pair of kings.
brbBBQ wins $10.90 from side pot #1 with a flush, king high.
brbBBQ wins $318.20 from the main pot with a flush, king high.


***** Hand History for Game 4329964944 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:38:53 ET 2006
Table Table 106667 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: brbBBQ ( $198 )
Seat 3: mordekhai ( $283.50 )
Seat 4: FireMhan ( $97.83 )
Seat 6: Wont_Go_Away ( $106.90 )
Seat 5: joborne ( $188.16 )
Wont_Go_Away posts small blind [$1].
brbBBQ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Kc Kh ]
mordekhai folds.
FireMhan folds.
joborne folds.
Wont_Go_Away raises [$3].
brbBBQ raises [$8].
suvie22 has joined the table.
Wont_Go_Away calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Qc, 3c ]
Wont_Go_Away checks.
brbBBQ bets [$10].
Wont_Go_Away raises [$25].
brbBBQ calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
Wont_Go_Away is all-In.
brbBBQ calls [$71.90].
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Wont_Go_Away shows [ Ac, Ks ] high card ace.
brbBBQ shows [ Kc, Kh ] a pair of kings.
brbBBQ wins $211.80 from the main pot with a pair of kings.


***** Hand History for Game 4330256490 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 22:13:52 ET 2006
Table Table 106667 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: brbBBQ ( $256 )
Seat 3: mordekhai ( $403.58 )
Seat 5: joborne ( $83.46 )
Seat 4: bagofmoney1 ( $142.25 )
Seat 2: haohan ( $247 )
Seat 6: rtaylor94 ( $199.70 )
mordekhai posts small blind [$1].
bagofmoney1 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Qs Qc ]
bagofmoney1: only jacks
joborne is all-In.
rtaylor94 folds.
brbBBQ calls [$83.46].
haohan folds.
mordekhai folds.
bagofmoney1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 7d, 2h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
joborne shows [ 9c, 9s ] a pair of nines.
brbBBQ shows [ Qs, Qc ] three of a kind, queens.
brbBBQ wins $166.92 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.

[Cocco_Bill]

Awful awful downswing, no doubt you have had horrible luck. Were you tilting at all during this streak?

Just one thing I want to point out.

***** Hand History for Game 4329615648 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:02:39 ET 2006
Table Table 107394 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: brbBBQ ( $198 )
Seat 3: UVAHOO ( $209 )
Seat 5: uconn321 ( $197.40 )
Seat 1: natedawg8444 ( $74.53 )
uconn321 posts small blind [$1].
brbBBQ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Ac Ad ]
natedawg8444 folds.
UVAHOO raises [$7].
uconn321 folds.
brbBBQ raises [$13].


You should practically never re-raise so little no matter what you are holding. The call becomes mandatory with pretty much any 2 cards. It puts your opponent on an easy decision and instead gives away a lot of information.


***** Hand History for Game 4329964944 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:38:53 ET 2006
Table Table 106667 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: brbBBQ ( $198 )
Seat 3: mordekhai ( $283.50 )
Seat 4: FireMhan ( $97.83 )
Seat 6: Wont_Go_Away ( $106.90 )
Seat 5: joborne ( $188.16 )
Wont_Go_Away posts small blind [$1].
brbBBQ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Kc Kh ]
mordekhai folds.
FireMhan folds.
joborne folds.
Wont_Go_Away raises [$3].
brbBBQ raises [$8].

Same thing here, your standard re-raise should be bigger, you are giving him $6 to call a pot of $20, I think generally you shouldn't give anyone better than 2-1 to see a flop. (but perhaps this guy was so awful that chasing him away before the flop is -EV.)

[Silly String]

You want to see a fish's chart? Flip your's upside down. They lose steadily over the long run, with major luck/varience spikes up in the short term.

[aislephive]

That AA hand was ugly, was that a min-reraise? Pop it up at least 3x, and 4x if there is a raise and a call.

[lambchopdc]

Awful awful downswing, no doubt you have had horrible luck. Were you tilting at all during this streak?

Just one thing I want to point out.

***** Hand History for Game 4329615648 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:02:39 ET 2006
Table Table 107394 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: brbBBQ ( $198 )
Seat 3: UVAHOO ( $209 )
Seat 5: uconn321 ( $197.40 )
Seat 1: natedawg8444 ( $74.53 )
uconn321 posts small blind [$1].
brbBBQ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Ac Ad ]
natedawg8444 folds.
UVAHOO raises [$7].
uconn321 folds.
brbBBQ raises [$13].


You should practically never re-raise so little no matter what you are holding. The call becomes mandatory with pretty much any 2 cards. It puts your opponent on an easy decision and instead gives away a lot of information.


***** Hand History for Game 4329964944 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 21:38:53 ET 2006
Table Table 106667 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: brbBBQ ( $198 )
Seat 3: mordekhai ( $283.50 )
Seat 4: FireMhan ( $97.83 )
Seat 6: Wont_Go_Away ( $106.90 )
Seat 5: joborne ( $188.16 )
Wont_Go_Away posts small blind [$1].
brbBBQ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brbBBQ [ Kc Kh ]
mordekhai folds.
FireMhan folds.
joborne folds.
Wont_Go_Away raises [$3].
brbBBQ raises [$8].

Same thing here, your standard re-raise should be bigger, you are giving him $6 to call a pot of $20, I think generally you shouldn't give anyone better than 2-1 to see a flop. (but perhaps this guy was so awful that chasing him away before the flop is -EV.)

On the AA hand, I would normally re-raise to at least 20 in this spot (which at 1/2 6-max is a standard re-pop which gives away very little info). On this specific hand, i had a good read on UVAHOO after 400+ hands with him. Specifically that he hit any decent pair he would call down if he thinks i'm defending my big blind. I still should have raised more in retrospect.

The KK hand was a flat mistake pre-flop, i often have a hard time figuring out a proper re-raise against minraisers, i have to work on that. At this point i'm just happy to have won a few pots, hopefully now i can actually focus again and fix some things.