KK flopping K42 - how to proceed?

[Borax]

NL 0.25/0.15£
Hero holds and raises 5 limpers to 2£ in LP and get one caller (button). Stacks are Hero (35£) and button (25£).

Flop comes :Kc:

How to proceed?

What if flop is :Kc: with no flush draw?

[Miffed22001]

if you arent known for c/r'ing then you have to bet
Lukie made that great comment that a lot of small stakes players try to check/cold call and play big pots on later streets and it doesnt happen. You need to pot build early in the hope someone caught a part of it, or just doesnt think you have a part of it.

[Borax]

if you arent known for c/r'ing then you have to bet
Lukie made that great comment that a lot of small stakes players try to check/cold call and play big pots on later streets and it doesnt happen. You need to pot build early in the hope someone caught a part of it, or just doesnt think you have a part of it.

But is it likely that anyone got a part of this flop given that three K's are allready in play and they need to have called with 44 or 22, or two suited in the first example?

[cardsman1992]

I bet at the flop and am happy to take down the pot there, with the FD on the board. I might check a non-draw board and let him catch up on the turn.

Button probably wouldn't call without AK, 22, 44, or AA. AA unlikely because he did not reraise. 22 and 44 are, but don't risk it against a FD. Take your smallish pot and

[jackvance]

Check and hope you can pick off a bluff. He probably didn't hit the flop. If Villain is the passive kind who would never try to steal a pot, and generally plays a cautious game, better bet the flop. Or give him a free turn card and hope he improves.

[Pelion]

How often do you cbet.

I almost always cbet so slowplaying when I hit is kinda silly.

[Fnord]

I bet at the flop and am happy to take down the pot there, with the FD on the board.

It's heads-up to the flop, the other guy rarely will have the flush draw.

[cardsman1992]

Do you check turn heads up no matter what then? I guess I have had "Don't slowplay a set" beaten into my head.....

[Borax]

Earlier I also cbet almost every flop, but after reading a few books I've started to check more often with for example an AK that doesn't hit. Like you suggest I sometimes use this to conceal a monster as well. Recently I have been up against some aggressive players in cash games who seem to call most of my raises and then attack my cbets really hard and this cost me quite alot if I continue to cbet with nothing. If I do not have a read that they will fold to a turn bet as well, I check fold the bad flop. The good thing about it is that sometimes they overplay.

Yesterday one of those guys hit me hard twice and stole two cbets after callig me with random hands it seemed. He then attacked my 0.25-2£ raise for the third time and called my cbet and turn bet on a T64---2 board. I pushed 12£ into a 17£ pot on the 8 river and he called my AA with 54s...

[Warpe]

Check and hope you can pick off a bluff. He probably didn't hit the flop. If Villain is the passive kind who would never try to steal a pot, and generally plays a cautious game, better bet the flop. Or give him a free turn card and hope he improves.

[jackvance]

Earlier I also cbet almost every flop,

That's silly. The idea behind a cbet (the one where you miss the flop) is that when you hit and bet, people fold more often than not. So to extract more value in the long run, and cloud your real hand strength as an aside, you cbet to follow up your PFR. However, if people always call you down, there is really no need to be cbetting. Bet when you hit, check if you miss. If he likes to attack your weakness by stealing pots when you miss, then you have to check/raise him on the flop. Sometimes with air (or a draw or something), sometimes with a real hand.

[Borax]

Earlier I also cbet almost every flop,

That's silly. The idea behind a cbet (the one where you miss the flop) is that when you hit and bet, people fold more often than not. So to extract more value in the long run, and cloud your real hand strength as an aside, you cbet to follow up your PFR. However, if people always call you down, there is really no need to be cbetting. Bet when you hit, check if you miss. If he likes to attack your weakness by stealing pots when you miss, then you have to check/raise him on the flop. Sometimes with air (or a draw or something), sometimes with a real hand.

Yes, but the texture of the flop is important to.

[Lukie]

I think in spots like this, the best move is just to make your standard c-bet. I know the deck is somewhat crippled, but you have to hope that the guy either caught a piece of it with Kx, AA (not likely but certainly possible), 55-QQ that often won't fold to your first bet (weighted towards the top of that range), 44/22, 2 diamonds, a few other hands, or that he straight up floats on you (against players like this, I often bet the flop and check the turn).

The idea behind checking the flop is that either he bets (but seriously, how transparent is raising 5 limpers, then check/calling or check/raising the flop and trying to stack the guy), or he checks and catches up (but, if he doesn't like his hand now, how often is the guy going to improve to a hand he really likes. 2 'outters' don't happen often )

Truthfully, all things considered, I think making your standard c-bet a large majority of the time here is the best play. I think if the turn bricks, then we have an interesting decision though.

[Lukie]

I bet at the flop and am happy to take down the pot there, with the FD on the board. I might check a non-draw board and let him catch up on the turn.

Button probably wouldn't call without AK, 22, 44, or AA. AA unlikely because he did not reraise. 22 and 44 are, but don't risk it against a FD. Take your smallish pot and

whaaaaaaat

Usually I bet this flop, the other guy turbo-mucks, and I give an annoyed "F***", of which my computer has heard many.

[cardsman1992]

Probably too worried about AQ/AJ diamonds sucking out on me...

There are days any pot is better than none...

I just don't like slowplaying a set. I c-bet this flop 90% of the time. If the guy is autofolding anyway, how much more money do you get from him by checking? He still has to hit his hand....

[Lukie]

Probably too worried about AQ/AJ diamonds sucking out on me...

There are days any pot is better than none...

I just don't like slowplaying a set. I c-bet this flop 90% of the time. If the guy is autofolding anyway, how much more money do you get from him by checking? He still has to hit his hand....

I agree with betting, but the guy doesn't often have diamonds here. If he does and hits the turn, we still have the 2nd nut redraw to diamonds and the FH/quads redraw as well.

Personally I'm hoping the guy has exactly 44/22 and isn't going to smooth-call 2 streets with it on this board...

[Miffed22001]

there are enough bad players who think you have missed overs here to call you down with 77 type stuff