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  1. #1

    Default Standard?

    Every now and then PokerStars is a fun place to play for a change of pace...

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 ($126.65)
    MP2 ($71.95)
    Fnord ($99)
    CO ($18.50)
    Button ($22.45)
    SB ($110.90)
    BB ($35.10)
    UTG ($109.55)
    UTG+1 ($143.60)

    Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with 7, 7.
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Fnord raises to $6, 2 folds, SB calls $5.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4.

    Flop: ($19) 3, 4, 8 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP2 checks, Fnord bets $12

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP2 ($162.10)
    MP3 ($48.15)
    CO ($83.65)
    Button ($119.90)
    SB ($11)
    BB ($37)
    UTG ($251.95)
    Fnord ($144.75)
    MP1 ($37.50)

    Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with 7, 7.
    UTG calls $1, Fnord raises to $5, 7 folds, UTG calls $4.

    Flop: ($11.50) 4, K, 9 (2 players)
    UTG bets $4, Fnord calls $4.

    Turn: ($19.50) Q (2 players)
    UTG bets $4, Fnord raises to $12

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG+1 ($209.95)
    MP1 ($102.50)
    MP2 ($101.15)
    MP3 ($105.35)
    CO ($110.65)
    Button ($53)
    Fnord ($99)
    BB ($99)
    UTG ($39)

    Preflop: Fnord is SB with 8, J.
    6 folds, Button calls $1, Fnord completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($3) K, Q, Q (3 players)
    Fnord checks, BB checks, Button bets $3, Fnord calls $3, BB folds.

    Turn: ($9) 8 (2 players)
    Fnord checks, Button bets $4, Fnord raises to $12

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($83.60)
    BB ($109.15)
    UTG ($111.60)
    UTG+1 ($113.50)
    MP1 ($92.80)
    MP2 ($69.35)
    Fnord ($105.70)
    CO ($98.80)
    Button ($15.90)

    Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with 5, 5.
    2 folds, MP1 raises to $3, MP2 calls $3, Fnord calls $3, 4 folds.

    Flop: ($10.50) 9, K, K (3 players)
    MP1 bets $4, MP2 folds, Fnord calls $4.

    Turn: ($18.50) 8 (2 players)
    MP1 bets $4, Fnord raises to $16
  2. #2
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    #1 and #2 fine
    #3 is a strange hand with button limping instead of raising. Good raise to see where you are at
    #4 60% of the time that I see a person bet the same amount on the turn as they did the flop it means they missed and are hoping you go away. I like.
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    soooo weak/tight
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    #1 I don't like mixing up my play with a reraise preflop when I am in a position to be squeezed or called behind and be out of position. The flop bet is fine IMO.

    #2 I don't like this. If you are going to rep the turn then at least pump it up enough so he has a decision to make. I'd make it 20 to go.

    #3 I think this is bad without a read.

    #4 I like this xcept i still would raise more (20).


    Keep in mind I am used to playing against people who can't fold, so my opinion is likely biased.
  5. #5
    All read dependant... looking at betting patterns, they all seem weak, I've made similar plays, but it all depends on what I think of the guy. I won't do it without a read.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by AHiltz
    #3 is a strange hand with button limping instead of raising. Good raise to see where you are at
    I'm playing 2 blank cards here. Limping the button and potting the flop is just so transparent....
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    I'm playing 2 blank cards here. Limping the button and potting the flop is just so transparent....
    What does limping the button and potting the flop show? Small PP attacking weakness? Just using position to their advantage?

    I am trying to move past just set farming and would like to understand why this is transparent to an aware player?

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    Fnord, I don't understand what you're trying to rep with hand #2. You raise 5x preflop and then show weakness on the flop but come to life when there's a straight and/or flush possibility on the turn.

    Or did you just see his turn and flop bets as so weak that you knew you could push him out of the hand with any aggression?


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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Galapogos
    Or did you just see his turn and flop bets as so weak that you knew you could push him out of the hand with any aggression?
    Yeah pretty much. Although I wasn't so sure about just popping the flop. That bet tends to get called by a wide range of hands and leaves me still wondering where I'm really at. Hence, I've been toying around with playing more turns. With a single street of implied threat and only one card to come it tends to put people to the test in ways you just can't do on the flop.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    I'd make it 20 to go....
    i still would raise more (20).

    Keep in mind I am used to playing against people who can't fold, so my opinion is likely biased.
    Yeah, the PokerStars guys like to play Smallball and this is another spot where I'm experimenting. There is something to be said about raising as if you want a call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    There is something to be said about raising as if you want a call.
    True, but both of your cases are case where the villain could be betting a draw, and raising to less than pot isn't making them lay a draw down.
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    True, but both of your cases are case where the villain could be betting a draw, and raising to less than pot isn't making them lay a draw down.
    They don't laydown to pot bets nearly enough either and my hand might beat a busted draw.

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