Overbetting and Implied odds fun no?

[IowaSkinsFan]

I just want to know how my flop call and turn overbet was, as far as i know my flop limp was loose.

Paradise Poker Game #1542358196 - (blinds $0.10/$0.25) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/06/19-20:41:26.1 (CST) Table "Pebble" (real money) -- Seat 8 is the button Seat 1: Gilmer59 ($41.81 in chips) Seat 2: keyhouse ($22.40 in chips) Seat 3: spiderbud ($30.62 in chips) Seat 5: O'Bannion ($19.83 in chips) Seat 6: emnick ($39.36 in chips) Seat 7: redgrape ($24.00 in chips) Seat 8: bigv535 ($9.65 in chips) Seat 9: xpatg ($43.70 in chips) Seat 10: melmattpc ($27.85 in chips)
xpatg : Post Small Blind ($0.10)
melmattpc: Post Big Blind ($0.25)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Qh ]
Dealt to redgrape [ 9h ]
Gilmer59: Call ($0.25)
keyhouse: Fold
spiderbud: Call ($0.25)
O'Bannion: Fold
emnick : Call ($0.25)
redgrape: Call ($0.25)
bigv535 : Fold
xpatg : Call ($0.15)
melmattpc: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Td Js 2d ]
xpatg : Bet ($1)
melmattpc: Fold
Gilmer59: Fold
spiderbud: Raise ($2)
emnick : Fold
redgrape: Call ($2)
xpatg : Call ($1)
*** TURN *** : [ Td Js 2d ] [ 8h ]
xpatg : Check
spiderbud: Bet ($5)
redgrape: Raise ($21.75)

[apunisher]

i'm not a big fan of ur raise because i think it basically defines ur hand and give ur opp a chance to fold. That being said, pretty much any raise commits you. I don't think you should just call this raise because xpatg is prob on the diamond draw, and u won't know where u stand if the board pairs. I would probably just raise to around 13-15, which is a bet that commits u on the turn and also lets spiderbud call.

[givememyleg]

Preflop is ugly and that makes the rest of the hand ugly.

[zook]

I think limping behind 3 limpers with Q9s in the CO is standard. The flop call is a little loose, but your straight will be well hidden if it hits so I think implied odds justify it. I agree with apunisher about the turn... just raise to $15 to drive off xpatg but hopefully keep spiderbud in.

Hmm... now that I think about it, xpatg isn't getting the right odds to call with a flush draw even if you just smooth call the turn (about 3.5:1). Does anyone smooth call here?

[givememyleg]

WOW I must have been drunk..... I coulda swore it said QdQh ... I retract my statement earlier.

[allLiving]

I like min raising the turn here. Keep em in the pot and get some bets out of them.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Well my thinking is that spiderbud minraised the flop, which is one sign of strength, but then he really bets the turn hard, which shows a sign of vunerability. I really want to put him on JT because it's the only thing that made sense to me. I raised AI because if Q (probably not seeing what he actually had), a 9, or even a diamond I'm going to have a hard time extracting on the river. It turns out he had QQ so it made it happen to be really good that I did what I did.

[Pelion]

preflop is standard.

I call the flop. Dont really want to reopen the betting against 2 players when we arent even in position to take a free turn.

Pushing the turn is ok but Id probably raise to $15. Its pretty much the same but I think think it makes a call far more likely.


Hows 25NL treating you? I remember playing with you at paradises 10NL way back

[IowaSkinsFan]

Pretty well, I'm getting PT soon so I'll know the exact number but I'm probably making something like 6-8BB/100..... I'm constantly cashing out. I'm only 18 so I'm not that interested in moving up much more stakes.