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    Default How do you play these sorts of marginal hands minus read?

    I've had to move down stakes after a horrible downswing, and my confidence is getting back up again. But I've never been sure about the best value plays for these hands. Bet the river, or just check behind?

    ------HAND 5------
    Game #2760383774: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2006/06/21 - 15:52:29 (UK)
    Table "Saga" Seat 2 is the button.
    Seat 1: ghstface ($20 in chips)
    Seat 2: Smiffy44 ($24.40 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ellenborg ($14.70 in chips)
    Seat 4: malc ($6.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: carl_a ($51.46 in chips)
    Seat 6: Jozeph ($4.60 in chips)
    Seat 7: shewp ($11.20 in chips)
    Seat 8: RiverQi ($23.22 in chips)
    Seat 9: bb1962 ($21.75 in chips)
    Seat 10: Spirit ($15.35 in chips)
    Ellenborg: posts small blind $0.15
    malc: posts big blind $0.25
    ghstface sits out
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Smiffy44 [8s Tc]
    carl_a: folds
    Jozeph: folds
    shewp: calls $0.25
    RiverQi: calls $0.25
    bb1962: folds
    Spirit: calls $0.25
    Smiffy44: calls $0.25
    Ellenborg: calls $0.10
    malc: checks
    ----- FLOP ----- [6d 9s Ts]
    Ellenborg: checks
    malc: checks
    shewp: checks
    RiverQi: bets $0.50
    Spirit: calls $0.50
    Smiffy44: raises to $2
    Ellenborg: folds
    malc: folds
    shewp: folds
    RiverQi: calls $1.50
    Spirit: folds
    ----- TURN ----- [6d 9s Ts][5d]
    ghstface sits back
    RiverQi: checks
    Smiffy44: bets $3
    RiverQi: calls $3
    ----- RIVER ----- [6d 9s Ts 5d][Qh]
    RiverQi: checks
    Smiffy44: checks
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    fold minus a read.

    Checking behind on the river is standard. He's usually calling ahead and folding behind.
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    Just fold marginal hands preflop so you don't have to play them minus a read.
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    call or fold the flop, definetely don't raise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    Just fold marginal hands preflop so you don't have to play them minus a read.
    why? exploitable opponents, i can get away from hands, and in position. Raise, maybe. Fold, not necessarily. the flop raise was for info.

    certain presuppositions have to be made about faceless 25nl players, i got a good read from this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantherhound
    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    Just fold marginal hands preflop so you don't have to play them minus a read.
    why? exploitable opponents, i can get away from hands, and in position. Raise, maybe. Fold, not necessarily. the flop raise was for info.

    certain presuppositions have to be made about faceless 25nl players, i got a good read from this...
    If you are playing against un-knowns the standard play is to fold. As played, check behind on the river.

    It's good that you got a read, but you could probably get that read by not playing this hand, not spending your own money and watching them play it out. What if you get check-raised on the turn? Sure you got away, but you lost $5 for a pot you shouldn't have even been in.

    For a presupposition, how about "I'm good enough to make money without gambling with tards". If you already had a read like, he's crazy loose, or he will call any flop/turn, or he thinks OESD is the nuts then you'd get more discussion.
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