$22 180, Final Table. 87s in SB

[baudib]

What do you do here? Seems too playable to fold to the BB here.

After reraise, easy call?

PokerStars Game #5372745649: Tournament #27095412, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit -
Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/06/26 - 15:31:31 (ET)
Table '27095412 4' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: FortunesF00L (66780 in chips)
Seat 2: ryanmack91 (831 in chips)
Seat 3: jav75m (18176 in chips)
Seat 4: ozonethreat8 (10348 in chips)
Seat 5: baudib (35712 in chips)
Seat 7: martin6y (68009 in chips)
Seat 9: Starsky25 (70144 in chips)
FortunesF00L: posts the ante 150
ryanmack91: posts the ante 150
jav75m: posts the ante 150
ozonethreat8: posts the ante 150
baudib: posts the ante 150
martin6y: posts the ante 150
Starsky25: posts the ante 150
baudib: posts small blind 1500
martin6y: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to baudib [7d 8d]
Starsky25: folds
FortunesF00L: folds
ryanmack91: folds
jav75m: folds
ozonethreat8: folds
baudib: raises 9000 to 12000
martin6y: raises 55859 to 67859 and is all-in
baudib: ???

[zenbitz]

Why raise 4x here? Your M us under 7, you probably have to push or fold here.
As played you are getting ~ 2:1 here, so I guess call. The fact that folding leaves you in 4th place argues for a fold.

I take it back, considering Q (relative stack sizes) going out here without a big edge is criminal. You could surrender your SB, or min/raise even 3x raise and fold is better. The more aggressive / loose BB is the more inclined I am to fold 87s here.

[baudib]

Yeah, I realized after I did it that the raise was probably exactly the wrong size. 2.5x or 3x was better, but then I really don't want a call either.

[chardrian]

Given that super shorty is about to be wiped out, I either fold or complete here preflop.

As played, I fold after his raise.

[baudib]

I knew I muffed this one all around but I decided I wanted to play to win here, shortstack be damned. I decided 2-1 was exactly the right odds to try to double up on a likely 60-40 so I called.

[chardrian]

You are right that his most probable holding here is AK or just two overcards and he is trying to use his stack to bully you. But he also could easily have 77+ here so it's a pretty big gamble to call here.

[Sprayed]

I like Chard's line. I would rather push from the button with this hand to pick-up both blinds. If you're going to raise with this hand from the sb, you push. If you complete to see a flop and he pushes you fold.

[drmcboy]

given it's the FT I think in your mind you have to adjust to 70/30 because he's more likely to do this with pairs that dominate you - you put a major dent in his stack. Unless he's really been playing aggresive - like you could give him 66 or A5ish here and probably you can play. But if that's the case, the pre flop raise is a disaster, like zen said. This is the most obivous play for him, and you don't have a hand to back it with.. BUT you're getting 2/1, so you call. And end up with your chips in with 87.

Limp/fold is fine. Plus, you gain info and if you happen to find QQ in the SB next couple orbits...

[baudib]

He had AK and flop came A87. Better to be lucky sometimes than good.