Folding Ace-High on the flop in the final stages..??

[The_Dude]

Hi guys,

the following hand occured in a SnG a friend played.

NL Texas Hold'em $11 Buy-in Trny:25367154 Level:5 Blinds(200/400) - Thursday, June 29, 16:42:04 ET 2006
Table Salt Lake Pair (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 3: Hero ( $5030 )
Seat 5: Pepe_LePue ( $2250 )
Seat 1: mohrjk ( $4720 )
Trny:25367154 Level:5
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Tc Ad ]
Hero raises [800].
Pepe_LePue calls [600].
mohrjk folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 4s, 3d ]
Pepe_LePue bets [825].
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Hero will be using his time bank for this hand.
Hero folds.
Pepe_LePue does not show cards.
Pepe_LePue wins 2825 chip.

We argued a bit about that that hand. I thought that there is too much in the pot to fold the Ace-High, you need to go with it. Another point is to maybe move in before the flop to avoid such a guessing situation.

What do you think?

Cheers
Dude

[Stripclubjunkie]

Dont minraise!

[taipan168]

1000-1200 to go preflop and call preflop push from shortstack. If called, call flop push by shorstack I think.

[The_Dude]

I agree that the preflop raise was too small. But the way it was played, what do you do on the flop?

[biondino]

I fold. He's committed now, so he has something (mid PP maybe?) so you need to improve for sure. Why lose half your stack?

[taipan168]

I agree that the preflop raise was too small. But the way it was played, what do you do on the flop?

GTFO, you beat nothing but a bluff.

[IowaSkinsFan]

but this is an obvious stop and go? hero does have a big stack...

[Xanadu]

Of course this depends on the opponent. If your opponent is a smart tournament player, he knows his flop bet only has to take down the pot a little over a third of the time to net him chips. If you always fold unimproved, he's going to show a huge return in the long run. I make this flop bet all the time with no pair on the flop.

[The_Dude]

I thought you should go with the hand. I think a smaller pocket pair would be unlikely (he should push that preflop out of position against a minraise on the button IMHO). Of course he could have hit the K, but he would bet that flop anyway with only one high card showing, hoping you missed. That's definetely what I would have done there with about anything (I would have gone all-in though).