Who could lay this down and why?

[stever88ca]

If I fold my M is 16.5. I'm calling 14845 into a 36339 pot - winning = crusing ITM, losing mean a struggle to get ITM. Other perspectives? I though it was quite possible he had KK, but had no specific read.

#Game No : 4657437698
***** Hand History for Game 4657437698 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:25591842 Level:7 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, July 04, 23:12:04 ET 2006
Table Super Tuesday(753540) Table #36 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: vixen069 ( $13218 )
Seat 2: socpete1976 ( $49264 )
Seat 3: vikepopper ( $29439 )
Seat 6: Islym ( $26845 )
Seat 8: ML0503 ( $36846 )
Seat 9: creepy8181 ( $9026 )
Seat 10: papalove11 ( $5056 )
Seat 4: jarl87 ( $14048 )
Seat 7: sfcarmy ( $14340 )
Seat 5: BlueBear1115 ( $8610 )
Trny:25591842 Level:7
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Islym [ As Ad ]
socpete1976 folds.
vikepopper raises [2400].
jarl87 folds.
BlueBear1115 folds.
Islym raises [6000].
sfcarmy folds.
ML0503 folds.
creepy8181 folds.
papalove11 folds.
vixen069 folds.
vikepopper calls [3600].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Jc, 7d ]
vikepopper checks.
Islym bets [6384].
vikepopper is all-In [23439]
Islym is all-In [14461]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
Islym shows [ As, Ad ] a pair of aces.
vikepopper shows [ Jd, Jh ] three of a kind, jacks.
vikepopper wins 2594 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
vikepopper wins 54590 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, jacks.
Player Islym finished in 419 place

[Anaemik]

Losing WOULD be a struggle to get ITM, given that you would be out of the tourny But I guess by losing, you mean folding. Tough. I don't know if I could lay this down on that board. The only hands you could put him on were KK QQ and JJ. This is just one of those tough spots you get into where you forced to a tricky decision for all your chips. 8 times out of 10 I'm calling this without any further reads on opp.

[Anaemik]

FTR (for the record, not flopturnriver), I would have raised more PF, probably to about 7200. Not that I think this would have made any difference to the outcome.

[drmcboy]

make a real raise pre flop.

never fold on that board - in addition to KK, QQ, TT, 88 are all OK with gambooling on that flop. And if he has a J he's not going to lay it down here. Plenty of peole suck enough to get to the flop with JT+ here.

worry more about winning and not at all about ITM. ITM does not pay the bills.

[LimpinAintEZ]

HOW MUCH IS HE SUPPOSED TO RE-RAISE? HE MADE IT 10X THE BB TO GO - IF HERO HAD THE JACKS HERE, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO LET GO, BUT WITH THE ACES I CALL MOST OF THE TIME - IF THE GUY TURNS UP AJ OR KK (WHICH MIGHT VERY WELL STILL MAKE A CHECK RAISE ALL IN) WE ARE MONEY - I TAKE MY ACES TO THE END THERE

[Renton]

I AM IN AGREEMENT

[zenbitz]

OMFG DID YOU GET THE CAPS LOCK VIRUS TOO!!@?!@?#!

[drmcboy]

ITS ALMOST A MIN RAISE. WHO CARES HOW MUCH IT IS COMPARED TO THE BB. THE ONLY HAND IT MAKES SENSE TO RAISE THIS MUCH WITH IS AA. TRY AND NEVER MAKE A PLAY YOU CAN ONLY MAKE WITH AA.

[Anaemik]

HOW MUCH IS HE SUPPOSED TO RE-RAISE? HE MADE IT 10X THE BB TO GO

Irrelevant. The size of the BB went out the window as soon as the first raise was made. Any re-raise should be factoring in the size of the initial raise, not the size of the blind. 3x re-raise looks standard.

[Rondavu]

Hero never gets away. Preflop is fine.

[Renton]

HOW MUCH IS HE SUPPOSED TO RE-RAISE? HE MADE IT 10X THE BB TO GO

Irrelevant. The size of the BB went out the window as soon as the first raise was made. Any re-raise should be factoring in the size of the initial raise, not the size of the blind. 3x re-raise looks standard.

This is also irrelevant.

It doesn't have anything to do with the number of times the raise. You only need to raise enough to where they can't call with proper implied odds. Since the stacks are fairly deep here, we should have raised to around 3.5x the original raise, but if the effective stacks were 10k, then even minraise would be sufficient.

[Renton]

Yes! I have the biggest intellectual cock!11!

[spoonitnow]

Yes! I have the biggest intellectual cock!11!

ftw