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  1. #1

    Default never know what to do in this situation

    villian was reasonable as far as i can tell... i just never know what to do in that situation where the guy min bets at you

    PokerStars Game #5405179702: Tournament #27275658, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/06/29 - 20:00:26 (ET)
    Table '27275658 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: nutn2quikly (7015 in chips)
    Seat 4: hmm ill call (4165 in chips)
    Seat 5: leftyms (4465 in chips)
    Seat 6: goravenclaw1 (2660 in chips)
    Seat 7: MikeyLegend (3469 in chips)
    Seat 8: fisherKKing (5675 in chips)
    MikeyLegend: posts small blind 100
    fisherKKing: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to goravenclaw1 [Ad Tc]
    nutn2quikly: folds
    hmm ill call: folds
    leftyms: folds
    goravenclaw1: raises 400 to 600
    MikeyLegend: folds
    fisherKKing: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Kc 7d 7h]
    fisherKKing: bets 200

    what do i do?
  2. #2
    Has fisherKKing been min-betting a lot?
  3. #3
    You have 2 choices:

    1) Re-raise to show you have a hand
    2) Fold

    Calling here should never be an option.

    The way I go about chosing either 1 or 2 has a lot to do with what I think of my opponent. Judging by his play I would not classify him as "reasonable" as no "reasonable" player would make a donk min bet here. It may look weak as all hell folding to this, but if the guy is a calling station it might be best to just let it go. You have the chips and are getting close to the bubble.

    If you do decide to take option 1, which I would probably do more often than 2, give that bet a feeler raise to around 600-700 and if he calls or pushes, just give up (assuming you don't improve on later streets).

    Just to nit-pick, I make it 500 preflop.
  4. #4
    I agree with givememyleg, 500 to go preflop. Just keeps the pot smaller on every subsequent street.

    I would raise here as much as I would have c-bet if opp had checked - I agree with givememyleg, 600-700 is a good amount. If opp calls or raises, I'm shutting down.
  5. #5
    as it turns out according to sharkscope guy has 66% ROI over like 200 games...

    i agree with 500 most of the time... thats prob my standard raise. i guess i got lazy and didnt want to type it in.

    i think i mostly would fold rather than raise here since theres just not that many hands he can min bet like that? or if he doesnt have a hand what makes him think a min bet is good?

    meh
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    Lots of fish think that a minbet will make tight weak players fold if they don't hit. They're often right, too. Reads are vital here - most poker players are consistent and if he's minbet with a draw or a monster before, he's quite possibly doing the same again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruinblue
    as it turns out according to sharkscope guy has 66% ROI over like 200 games...
    FYI, I have a 56% ROI over 201 games. Out of my $278 profit, $216 is from winning a $4.40 (ROI was 100% when only playing $1 45-man).

    If he's playing anything > 1 table then the ROI goes up.
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  8. #8
    Fold if this person's min bets mean anything to you, otherwise play it like you've hit the K or 7's and just call to make him think. If you did have 3 7's or AK, that's what you would do for value anyway. You've already raised 3x PF so that backs up your possible AK flat call. (3x is fine here, you want a fold with AT anyway, 500 and the larger stacks are easily calling 300 more)

    Take this hand to the turn and see what his next move is since he's first to act, much better than raising right away on the flop and losing all those chips when you fold to his re-raise if he indeed has it. I disagree with almost everyone's post. You're telling him to chance 1/3 of his stack for information when he could get it for 200 on the flop, then see what this guy's next move is for free. If he checks or min bets again, you know a lot more for a lot cheaper.
  9. #9
    with no read on the min bet, I would call. Almost no one plays AK like this so you have at least three outs against the K. Plus you you may pick up a SD on the turn or a T and you can call his min bet again.

    Raising is better if you had a bigger stack - he may be willing to gamble on something like TT here.
  10. #10
    i think something like TT or anywhere from 88-JJ reraises me pre anyway - from the button i could be raising almost any two
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  11. #11
    It's hard to see this guy doing this with a hand because not a lot of people are smart enough to reraise these. He's probably thinking you raised but if you missed why not min bet to find out? Anyways i think an interesting line would be a mine raise (folding to a reraise all in) and then an all in on the turn.
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  12. #12
    I think your options here are to call or reraise.

    If you reraise then I'd say bet about 700 as stated above. The problem with this is though that a lot of the time, players just automatically call a bet like this, because they don't want to show weakness and feel like they need to stay in the pot for this round unless there you make a much bigger reraise (but that will comit you to the pot and you don't want to really put your tourney on this hand because you don't know where you stand atm).
    If he reraises your raise or raises on 4th street - i suggest getting out of the hand.

    If you just flat call, you get to see a free card and he might stop betting on 4th street. A lot of players make one small attempt to try and steal the pot if they fail they just check the rest of the hand down and fold.

    I think I would call. If he raises a substantial amount on the turn I'd get out. If he checks the turn, then I'd make a bet of about 700 to try and push him off the pot.

    The problem with these games is that the level of play is so weak that you don't really know what a bet means. If this game was at higher stakes then I would think differently about the hand.
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  13. #13
    There are few times that folding to a minbet makes sense. This isn't one of them; if you're considering folding here, you're a nit. You want to be TAGG, not one of those weak-tight dudes that floaters eat for lunch.

    I also think you have two options, raise to 5-600 on flop to see where you stand (if you get called or raised, you know where the check/fold button is) or, flat-call and wait until the turn villain's action and/or take away the pot.

    btw, 200 games is not nearly a large enough sample size
  14. #14
    I think reraising here is pretty iffy.
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