Thoughts on this stop 'n' go ($6.50)

[taipan168]

Opp was a 32/16 who had opened up to 47/27 at 100/200 blinds. Like or no like?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t5122)
SB (t2900)
Hero (t1910)
UTG (t3568)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 9.
1 fold, Button raises to t400, 1 fold, Hero calls t200.

Flop: (t1000) J, Q, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t1485 (All-In)

[GatorJH]

The only problem with this that it is harder to push a LAGGY off of a hand than someone who is weak/tight.

I'm also not crazy about this flop for you. The two overcards make it more feasible that he hit part of this.

Then again, I am not the master at stop-n-go's so this could be brilliant and I'm just not smart enough to see it. Quite possible indeed.

Edit: The other thing that worries me is the min raise. Has he been minraising alot? If not, you could be up against a monster that he wants a call with.

[vqc]

you are wayyyy toooo deeeeeppppppp to warrant a stop and go.

[taipan168]

So is the best play here to fold and find a better spot? Or push over preflop?

[zenbitz]

Too deep? M=6? M after calling m/r? Any shallower and you have no FE.

As Gator pointed out, m/r by BU is fishy. If your read agrees that this is irregular, then flat call or fold is best pre-flop. I'm not sure gutshot+1 over on a two-tone 2 broadway baord is enough outs vs probable pocket pair or good ace to make this move.

Since you have outs, but no idea where you stand, maybe a check-n-hope? If he's slow playing and you hit a T, he's toast.

I think if there is only 1 club on this board the stop-n-go is better... he can't put you on a f/d and call with like 88.

[vqc]

he has almost 9xBB there is no reason he should be getting involved in this pot watsoever.

[zenbitz]

he has almost 9xBB there is no reason he should be getting involved in this pot watsoever.

In 24 _hands_ he is out of chips. In 12 he is hopelessly short. Assuming the blinds don't go up. K9 suited is a 60-40 vs a random hand. He is getting 3:1 to see a flop with an above average drawing hand. He is also in 4th place on the bubble, so the other players can just wait for him to make a move. They are under no pressure.

I can see folding here - but there are some reasons to get involved. He is in a situation where he is going to be soon pushing J7o on the button.

[GatorJH]

he has almost 9xBB there is no reason he should be getting involved in this pot watsoever.

In 24 _hands_ he is out of chips. In 12 he is hopelessly short. Assuming the blinds don't go up. K9 suited is a 60-40 vs a random hand. He is getting 3:1 to see a flop with an above average drawing hand. He is also in 4th place on the bubble, so the other players can just wait for him to make a move. They are under no pressure.

I can see folding here - but there are some reasons to get involved. He is in a situation where he is going to be soon pushing J7o on the button.

I agree with you here that K9s is certainly a playable hand here, but getting back to the original question I don't think this is the right spot for a stop-n-go for all of the reasons listed

[spyderracing]

The only questionable thing about this hand is getting involved in the first place. Maybe wait for a better spot, but thats dependant on how active the table is. If people are taking stabs at each other and the bigger stacks are active it may be mor worth your while to wait as you may catch a better hand and get the action you want or you could limp into third.

However, back to the hand as it was played. The button could be raising with anything. Big stack, laggy, on the button, all adds up and screams steal. So what if it's harder to push a lag off a hand. Depending on the stakes that might not even matter because if he has TPGK or top two he's not gonna think, hmm maybe he set or has me outkicked. The best way to cut off the lagg in this situation is to out agg him by cutting his options down from 4 to 2 and force him to call or fold. I like this particular hand better than a stop n go where you do it with any two because this is more of a semibluff with the ISD and K over, so you have two ways to win (he folds, or you suckout on him). Now wether or not the K plays is read based as to wether or not you think he has KQ or KJ and he's probably folding the KJ unless he's a true blue donk or has a great read on you (funny how it's either donkdom or greatness isnt it).

In the end I think this was a great play. And the only other move I could see being a substitute in this situation is pushing PF. Your M is about 6, and what I don't see a lot of people mentioning here is that your effective M is about 2.5. So realistically instead of being boarderline redzone strategy, your really falling closer to the deadzone as far as your effective M is concerned. (For anyone wondering WTF I'm talking about, you need to go get HoH1 and 2 NOW! Seriously, nothing will kickstart your game like those books.)

[taipan168]

Thanks for the replies, everybody. Villain thought about it and called with JTo.

[GatorJH]

Thanks for the replies, everybody. Villain thought about it and called with JTo.

That is why Spyder's comment about pushing pre-flop has some merit. Had you come over the top with a push villian may have laid this down.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I'm also not crazy about this flop for you. The two overcards make it more feasible that he hit part of this.

The flop is irrelevant when you stop-n-go. That said, you're too deep to try it IMO.

[taipan168]

That is why Spyder's comment about pushing pre-flop has some merit. Had you come over the top with a push villian may have laid this down.

I agree, I should have either pushed or folded this preflop, probably folded and looked for another spot to open push.