A little known secret....

[SaulPaul]

George Washington smoked weed!

(And for those of you, who like me, just assumed his interest in hemp was purely for making rope etc., then please explain why he wrote in his diary about seperating the female from the male seeds, a process only pointful if ur looking to get high off the female buds)


that is all, sorry if it was a dissapointing secret!

[EricE]

the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42

There is your secret.

[a500lbgorilla]

aparrently the REAL little known secret was that this was a little known secret

pretty standard trivia knowledge, if you ask me.

[Miffed22001]

DrUgZ DoNt WoRk

[freechus9]

I wonder if now they'll let us smoke in the White House.

[Galapogos]

How long now until someone throws out the whole Slater speach from Dazed and Confused?

[Renton]

god i hate weed and its whole subculture

[bigred]

the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42

There is your secret.

FTW

[samsonite2100]

god i hate weed and its whole subculture

QFT.

Tie-dye, Phish, Deadheads, High Times, Haight-Ashbury, Graffix bongs, patchouli, devil sticks, hacky sacks, armpit hair (on women), dreadlocks (on white people), bootlegging, "kind," "harsh," "nugs," sandals, frisbee golf, the list goes on and on and on

[dsmrolla06]

god i hate weed and its whole subculture

QFT.

Tie-dye, Phish, Deadheads, High Times, Haight-Ashbury, Graffix bongs, patchouli, devil sticks, hacky sacks, armpit hair (on women), dreadlocks (on white people), bootlegging, "kind," "harsh," "nugs," sandals, frisbee golf, the list goes on and on and on

dont forget white castle

[midas06]

meh there's nothing wrong with bud. The aforementioned subculture is all stereotypicism and pretty gay though

[Renton]

i don't hate smoking it, I just don't smoke it because I hate the majority of people who do smoke it.

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

[zook]

i don't hate smoking it, I just don't smoke it because I hate the majority of people who do smoke it.

You should join the "People Who Hate People" Party.

[PO$$E$$ED]

i hate god and its whole subculture

[a500lbgorilla]

i want to do acid

[LeFou]

i want to do acid

[samsonite2100]

i want to do acid

What's stopping you?

[Renton]

i don't hate smoking it, I just don't smoke it because I hate the majority of people who do smoke it.

You should join the "People Who Hate People" Party.

"People who hate people! Come together!"

"No! Are you gonna be there? Then I ain't fucking coming."

"You're our strongest member! Thats what I'm talking about!"

"You asshole, fuck off!"

"Damn, we almost had a meeting going."

[a500lbgorilla]

i want to do acid

What's stopping you?

not back on campus yet

[Lukie]

i get high off of life

[theDEEPdish]

you drink coke+vadka

[thenonsequitur]

I don't need weed. I get high on ladders and tall buildings.

[thenonsequitur]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

[Renton]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

Most stoners think that marijuana should be legal for one simple reason. Self interest. They want to live in a world where they don't have to smoke marijuana in obscurity.

I think it should be legal because its not a dangerous drug. Its far less dangerous than all the legal drugs like alcohol, ephedrine, hydrocodone, and cigarettes. Marijuana is illegal simply because its not profited from by the white elite in America. If Pfizer came up with a multi-billion dollar campaign to manufacture, market, and sell weed, it would become legal pretty damn quickly. Marijuana allows brown people to make money, and we can't have that.

[dsmrolla06]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

Most stoners think that marijuana should be legal for one simple reason. Self interest. They want to live in a world where they don't have to smoke marijuana in obscurity.

I think it should be legal because its not a dangerous drug. Its far less dangerous than all the legal drugs like alcohol, ephedrine, hydrocodone, and cigarettes. Marijuana is illegal simply because its not profited from by the white elite in America. If Pfizer came up with a multi-billion dollar campaign to manufacture, market, and sell weed, it would become legal pretty damn quickly. Marijuana allows brown people to make money, and we can't have that.

I disagree that weed is less dangerous than cigarettes. Weed alters your state of mind wherease cigarettes dont.

[Renton]

Sure it alters your state of mind, but it doesn't really inhibit anything. Ephedrine alters your state of mind. Nyquil alters your state of mind. And the undisputed king of legal mind alteration, alcohol.

[dsmrolla06]

I dont think ephedrine and nyquil, more specifically dxm or pseudophedrine is has near has much effect on your state of mind at a proper dosage. Ive smoked weed a few times and it sucked driving.

[thenonsequitur]

I disagree that weed is less dangerous than cigarettes. Weed alters your state of mind wherease cigarettes dont.

Going to sleep alters your state of mind. Does that make sleeping more dangerous than smoking cigarettes?

[dsmrolla06]

Sleeping alters your state of mind. Does that make sleeping more dangerous than smoking cigarettes?

I dont know... but most people dont tend to be very active while theyre sleeping... I know i dont drive too often when im sleeping, yet theres lots of people that smoke weend and go out for a drive.

[thenonsequitur]

Well if you're talking about driving, then maybe someone that has just smoked weed might have more of a problem driving than someone that has just smoked a cigarette.

But maybe not. I know some people that can drive as well stoned as than can sober.

But that's kind of an irrelevent issue IMO, because most people that smoke weed are usually capable of correctly determining whether or not they are in a state of mind where they should be driving. (Contrast this with the judgement-impairing effects of alcohol).

[boost]

who'dathought this woulda turned into an actual serious debate?

[a500lbgorilla]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

I disagree with all laws that basically force people to "protect" themselves. Alcohol laws, drug laws, helmet laws, seatbelt laws. "We're going to make this law becuase we know what's best for you." We're all adults and capable of understanding what stupid risks we take and don't take. It's our responsibility to decided if we want to wear a seatbelt of do acid.

[thenonsequitur]

I disagree with all laws that basically force people to "protect" themselves. Alcohol laws, drug laws, helmet laws, seatbelt laws. "We're going to make this law becuase we know what's best for you." We're all adults and capable of understanding what stupid risks we take and don't take. It's our responsibility to decided if we want to wear a seatbelt of do acid.

Agreed. I also think marijuana use (and use of other currently illicet drugs) should be legal. There should probably be some intelligent regulation though.

I only asked the above question I wanted to Renton to elaborate a little on his statement, not because I don't think it should be legal.

[shysti]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

Most stoners think that marijuana should be legal for one simple reason. Self interest. They want to live in a world where they don't have to smoke marijuana in obscurity.

I think it should be legal because its not a dangerous drug. Its far less dangerous than all the legal drugs like alcohol, ephedrine, hydrocodone, and cigarettes. Marijuana is illegal simply because its not profited from by the white elite in America. If Pfizer came up with a multi-billion dollar campaign to manufacture, market, and sell weed, it would become legal pretty damn quickly. Marijuana allows brown people to make money, and we can't have that.

So let me get this straight, you think youre reason is 'better' than people who want weed legal because they use it?

[shysti]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

Most stoners think that marijuana should be legal for one simple reason. Self interest. They want to live in a world where they don't have to smoke marijuana in obscurity.

I think it should be legal because its not a dangerous drug. Its far less dangerous than all the legal drugs like alcohol, ephedrine, hydrocodone, and cigarettes. Marijuana is illegal simply because its not profited from by the white elite in America. If Pfizer came up with a multi-billion dollar campaign to manufacture, market, and sell weed, it would become legal pretty damn quickly. Marijuana allows brown people to make money, and we can't have that.

I disagree that weed is less dangerous than cigarettes. Weed alters your state of mind wherease cigarettes dont.

um cigs alter your state of mind when you DONT smoke, thats the kicker, you ever seen someone with a nicotine fit?

[Galapogos]

Drugs can't be legal. The vast majority of people are very incapable at determining and regulating what's best for them. Look at how the current rate of obesity is skyrocketting. And before someone points out "What should food be illegal??" I'm using it for comparison. This is something which obviously is not illegal and with all the education out there saying how important it is to eat right and not overeat etc people are still incapable of controlling something as simple as food cravings.

If you legalize cocaine you cannot seriously think the average joe will be able to tell himself enough's enough. Too many people need the law to tell them what's right for them a lot of the time. A cheesburger is good, but cocaine is SUPER good. I don't see how this doesn't lead to way more crackheads if this and other drugs don't have that stigma surrounding them.

[shysti]

Sleeping alters your state of mind. Does that make sleeping more dangerous than smoking cigarettes?

I dont know... but most people dont tend to be very active while theyre sleeping... I know i dont drive too often when im sleeping, yet theres lots of people that smoke weend and go out for a drive.

What about cell phones? More people get into car accidents not payin the hell attention because they are fuckin yappin away on their damn phones, than those who smoke weed and drive - fact

[shysti]

Drugs can't be legal. The vast majority of people are very incapable at determining and regulating what's best for them. Look at how the current rate of obesity is skyrocketting. And before someone points out "What should food be illegal??" I'm using it for comparison. This is something which obviously is not illegal and with all the education out there saying how important it is to eat right and not overeat etc people are still incapable of controlling something as simple as food cravings.

If you legalize cocaine you cannot seriously think the average joe will be able to tell himself enough's enough. Too many people need the law to tell them what's right for them a lot of the time. A cheesburger is good, but cocaine is SUPER good. I don't see how this doesn't lead to way more crackheads if this and other drugs don't have that stigma surrounding them.

Your logic is flawed, you are comparing somethin like drug use - which is a desire or want, to something that is essential and needed like food. The way its set up in this country makes it hard to eat healthy - people work long hours, unhealthy food is more convienent to get, healthy food cost more, so yeah people get fat. But we HAVE to eat, we don't HAVE to do drugs.

So with legalization, people are capable of CHOOSING whether or not they do drugs, but they can't say, well Im not going to eat thats -ev

[shysti]

Drugs can't be legal. The vast majority of people are very incapable at determining and regulating what's best for them. Look at how the current rate of obesity is skyrocketting. And before someone points out "What should food be illegal??" I'm using it for comparison. This is something which obviously is not illegal and with all the education out there saying how important it is to eat right and not overeat etc people are still incapable of controlling something as simple as food cravings.

If you legalize cocaine you cannot seriously think the average joe will be able to tell himself enough's enough. Too many people need the law to tell them what's right for them a lot of the time. A cheesburger is good, but cocaine is SUPER good. I don't see how this doesn't lead to way more crackheads if this and other drugs don't have that stigma surrounding them.

I think if it was legal the avg joe who wasnt a user before, wouldn't just say "well let me try cocaine now since it's legal and all" , he just won't, so this doesn't apply to him, and if he did, he was using before it became legal.

[Galapogos]

What about the kids growing up in a world where it's not such a bad thing though?

[shysti]

What about the kids growing up in a world where it's not such a bad thing though?

Is it truly the government's job to raise our children or us? I grew up in the ghetto, where crackheads were rampant, did I turn into one? Nope, you know why because of a good mother.

It's the parent's job to drill into their children's head that just because we have a shitty life in the shitty ghetto doesn't mean you have to turn to drugs, turn to education and raise above that mess, I did.

[Galapogos]

You're the result of quality upbringing then. But there isn't a lot of that anywhere really. It's not the government's job but there aren't a lot of people up to the task. I just think a few laws here and there aren't hurting to keep a few in line.

[shysti]

You're the result of quality upbringing then. But there isn't a lot of that anywhere really. It's not the government's job but there aren't a lot of people up to the task. I just think a few laws here and there aren't hurting to keep a few in line.

True, I am not saying I agree with legalizing harmful drugs like cocaine, but weed to me isnt that dangerous at all, I just dont believe in laws protecting people from themselves

[thenonsequitur]

You're the result of quality upbringing then. But there isn't a lot of that anywhere really. It's not the government's job but there aren't a lot of people up to the task. I just think a few laws here and there aren't hurting to keep a few in line.

I agree the argument is very complex on either side and there really isn't an easy answer. But consider this.

If used properly, drugs can be fun and potentially very useful without too many bad side effects. If used improperly, drugs can be devestating. Your argument is that people aren't very good at controlling their cravings, so the devestating side comes out far too often. And you're saying that its the government's job to protect its citizens from such a result.

Now consider the obvious parallel.

If used properly, poker can be fun and potentially very useful without too many bad side effects. If used improperly, poker can be devestating.

Since y0u play poker you know as good as anyone that poker is just as addictive as coocaine (in fact, they both cause similar neurotransmitters balances and chemical reactions). If people are so bad at controlling themselves and if it's the government's job to protect people from taking cravings to a devestating level, then why do you not support the proposed online poker ban?

[shysti]

But that's anything in life, if you think about it, there is going to be some out there abusing it. Look at things like sleeping pills, people abuse those.

Hell I abuse caffiene, I love it lol, I have gum with caffiene in it. But I'll be honest and say I've tried just about every drug out there EXCEPT crack and heroin, and I have NEVER become addicted.

I don't use anything at all now because I can choose to use or not and I just don't. Maybe I am lucky that I don't carry what I call the addiction gene, because I've done some that people would consider hard drugs and never craved them afterwards ever.

[jyms]

I defy anyone to use an argument against pot being legalized based on any rational, proven theory, that cann0t be used for alcohol. When compared side by side, pot is a clear choice as the more logical product for consumption. I hate pot, there is not enough food in the fridge for me to smoke pot. I like my beer and single malt, but other than liquor's legal status, what makes it above pot in any way.

[shysti]

I defy anyone to use an argument against pot being legalized based on any rational, proven theory, that cann0t be used for alcohol. When compared side by side, pot is a clear choice as the more logical product for consumption. I hate pot, there is not enough food in the fridge for me to smoke pot. I like my beer and single malt, but other than liquor's legal status, what makes it above pot in any way.

nothing at all, lets do this. say we have a small amount of money say 50 bucks. We'll buy 50 dollars worth of pot and 50 dollars worth of alcohol.

After consuming both, which will have us more innebriated ???

I vote the alcohol

[thenonsequitur]

say we have a small amount of money say 50 bucks. We'll buy 50 dollars worth of pot and 50 dollars worth of alcohol.

After consuming both, which will have us more innebriated ???

I vote the alcohol

You'd be voting incorrectly. You get so much more bang for your buck buying marijuana vs. alcohol.

[jyms]

the guy with 50 bucks in booze beats his wife and crashes his car. Gets in a fight at the liquor store trying to buy more and throws up on his shirt. the guy with 50 bucks of pot smokes a fatty, raids the fridge, turns on the TV and laughs at mister dressup, plays a little poker and doesn't even know how to spell tilt, nevermind feeling it. The guy with the booze looses his job for missing work and goes to play a little poker to relax and loses a buy in, and puts his fist through the monitor and snaps his keyboard in half. Then kicks the dog, rinse repeat.
Now I know this is not every case, but that is the extream of what happens. It is never the other way around and it does happen, alot more than necessary.

[shysti]

say we have a small amount of money say 50 bucks. We'll buy 50 dollars worth of pot and 50 dollars worth of alcohol.

After consuming both, which will have us more innebriated ???

I vote the alcohol

You'd be voting incorrectly. You get so much more bang for your buck buying marijuana vs. alcohol.

Trainer put it correctly what I was tryin to say, yeah you'd get more bang for your buck weed wise but you wouldnt get yourself in more trouble than if you consumed 50 bucks of alcohol

[Renton]

The only adverse effect pot has is to turn some women into total bitches.

[Renton]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

Most stoners think that marijuana should be legal for one simple reason. Self interest. They want to live in a world where they don't have to smoke marijuana in obscurity.

I think it should be legal because its not a dangerous drug. Its far less dangerous than all the legal drugs like alcohol, ephedrine, hydrocodone, and cigarettes. Marijuana is illegal simply because its not profited from by the white elite in America. If Pfizer came up with a multi-billion dollar campaign to manufacture, market, and sell weed, it would become legal pretty damn quickly. Marijuana allows brown people to make money, and we can't have that.

So let me get this straight, you think youre reason is 'better' than people who want weed legal because they use it?

Not better, just different.

It is however my opinion that voting to change the law purely out of self-interest sucks.

[shysti]

I actually think it should be legal in US, just not for the same reasons stoners think.

Interesting comment, and I'm not sure how to interpret it. Can you answer these questions to make it more clear:

1. Why do you think it should be legal?
2. What do you think is the reason stoners think it should be legal?

Most stoners think that marijuana should be legal for one simple reason. Self interest. They want to live in a world where they don't have to smoke marijuana in obscurity.

I think it should be legal because its not a dangerous drug. Its far less dangerous than all the legal drugs like alcohol, ephedrine, hydrocodone, and cigarettes. Marijuana is illegal simply because its not profited from by the white elite in America. If Pfizer came up with a multi-billion dollar campaign to manufacture, market, and sell weed, it would become legal pretty damn quickly. Marijuana allows brown people to make money, and we can't have that.

So let me get this straight, you think youre reason is 'better' than people who want weed legal because they use it?

Not better, just different.

It is however my opinion that voting to change the law purely out of self-interest sucks.

I think the majority of pot heads, weed smokers can all agree they want the law changed basically because it makes no sense.

[jyms]

I don't smoke and I think the law makes no sense. I refer to my last post. Other than it's illegal, what is the difference between pot and alcohol that makes pot wrong and alcohol right for people deemed "age of majority"

[Big Tray]

I think the main reason pot isn't legal is because the government cannot make any money on it whatsoever, not the case with alcohol. Look at it- all of the alcohol taxes out there- it costs unbelievable amounts of money now to buy a case of beer where I come from, but weed- everybody and their brother can grow week in their basement, attic, backyard, etc...

The government wouldnt make any money from it and proplr would say hey- pot is legal, its cheaper and safer than alcohol, lets go get high instead of drunk- boom! there goes the taxes for the government, and you know all the rich fat assholes on capital hill hate anything taking away from their bank accounts.

[Big Tray]

I think the main reason pot isn't legal is because the government cannot make any money on it whatsoever, not the case with alcohol. Look at it- all of the alcohol taxes out there- it costs unbelievable amounts of money now to buy a case of beer where I come from, but weed- everybody and their brother can grow week in their basement, attic, backyard, etc...

The government wouldnt make any money from it and proplr would say hey- pot is legal, its cheaper and safer than alcohol, lets go get high instead of drunk- boom! there goes the taxes for the government, and you know all the rich fat assholes on capital hill hate anything taking away from their bank accounts.

[Big Tray]

woops.... didnt mean to post 2x there

[Warpe]

The only adverse effect pot has is to turn some women into total bitches.

not if they smoke it

[chardrian]

I think the main reason pot isn't legal is because the government cannot make any money on it whatsoever, not the case with alcohol. Look at it- all of the alcohol taxes out there- it costs unbelievable amounts of money now to buy a case of beer where I come from, but weed- everybody and their brother can grow week in their basement, attic, backyard, etc...

The government wouldnt make any money from it and proplr would say hey- pot is legal, its cheaper and safer than alcohol, lets go get high instead of drunk- boom! there goes the taxes for the government, and you know all the rich fat assholes on capital hill hate anything taking away from their bank accounts.

ummm - your argument makes no sense. If the government legalized pot, they could then tax it just like they do with tobacco and alcohol and make those gobs of money they are now missing out on.

[Big Tray]

Yeah, but if they legalized it, what would stop people from growing it themselves? It's a plant- easily grown ( well not easily I assume I've never touched the stuff).

Put yourself in this situation- you are a teenager who likes to get high, would you rather:
a.) Go all the way to a store, buy the stuff, pay the taxes, go home and smoke it, or...
b.) Grow it yourself, go up to the plant, pick it, save money, and still get high.

Tough call....

[Renton]

The only adverse effect pot has is to turn some women into total bitches.

not if they smoke it

No some girls get EXTREMELY moody occasionally when they smoke. See Nicole Kidman in a scene in Eyes Wide Shut for an example.

[SaulPaul]

growing weed is a hassle, fun, but fucking diffucult to get the exact conditions u need for a decent crop (involves monitoring nitrogen, and potassium levels in the soil, complicated lighting schedules etc) PLus u have to wait 10 weeks min to grow, and a couple to dry. So most stoners would opt to buy from shop IMO. Plus stoners dont make the most competent of horticulurists.

I think in the UK, cannbis was the 4th largest constiuent of our economy ahead of fast food (has been years since i saw this in the paper so might not be 100% accurate)

Legalising weed would bring in a fuck load money for the government

However Labour are already getting enough stick for downgrading cannabis to class C (a verbal warning if caught with say an 8th), so i can see legalisation being ridicously contreversial, let alone in your country with the religous right