Donkish river call?

[Rockymv]

Villian is 43/17.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($84.50)
Hero ($99)
UTG ($97.50)
MP ($198.81)
Button ($117.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Button calls $1, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) 6, 6, J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, Button calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($10.50) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, Button raises to $16, SB folds, Hero calls $8.

River: ($42.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $82.50

[andy-akb]

What are his turn and river aggression factor and frequency? What are his showdown stats?

We split with any 6, beat a flush and a jack, and lose to any queen. A player who raises 17% of their hands preflop probably has a very wide range to limp on the button, have you seen him do this before?

A call on the flop could mean a lot, if he has a FD he cant have a Q, but again the turn doesnt seem like a flush. He could very easily be slowplaying trips which you split with on the river. At first I thought a hand like QJ or AQ was possible, but realized he openlimped on the button so its most likely not a hand like that.

When thinking about this hand I really am not sure what Id put him on so those stats would help. He could be slowplaying trips and then raising that turn, or that Q could have helped him, its tough to say and I really would like to see what others have to say about this.

On a side note, does 3betting AI on the turn have any merit?

[cardsman1992]

I like a 3-bet AI against a flush-draw board. Make him make a major mistake if he is on a draw.

[gabe]

bet $15 on river and fold to a raise

[Rockymv]

What are his turn and river aggression factor and frequency? What are his showdown stats?

I don't have enough hands on him for these stats to be meaningful. I didn't even think about 3bet all in on the turn...but it sounds pretty good in retrospect.

[aislephive]

River call is standard FYI.

[Miffed22001]

River call is standard FYI.

sklansky says its a fold.

I like 3 betting all in on the turn fwiw unless opp is super passive and we're outkicked.

[natdang]

Yeah I stick it to him on the turn, but as played, I'd have led on the river. I call the river anyway, but calling big river bets is a huge leak in my game anyways.

[gabe]

River call is standard FYI.

sklansky says its a fold.

lol where do you get this stuff from?

3 betting allin on turn sucks too

[r8ed]

I think it's better to lead for $20 as a hand like AJ will check behind....and a Queen will raise so you can fold. I doubt you will face a raise here as a bluff unless villain is a moron (or genius).

[cardsman1992]

3 betting allin on turn sucks too

Could you explain why?

[gabe]

fish with flush draws dont min raise the turn on paired boards. the guy almost always has a better 6 or two pair here. a push is good with A6 usually but not with a kicker that probably won't even play.

[cardsman1992]

So you think 67 would be in this hand? A6 wouldn't raise on button in unraised pot? I wouldn't be worrying about another mid PP on the turn. I am trying to take the pot down or make him pay to draw to his two outer.

My hand reading skills need work, that's why I am wondering....

[gabe]

he hardly ever has a draw here. if hes drawing to a 2 outer hes hardly paying too much. pushing just gives all our money away to monsters, which is what his hand looks like.

[Miffed22001]

he hardly ever has a draw here. if hes drawing to a 2 outer hes hardly paying too much. pushing just gives all our money away to monsters, which is what his hand looks like.

Villian is 43/17.

were outkicked then and should call the river?

[gabe]

bet $15 on river and fold to a raise

[natdang]

I agree, a push on turn would be a ridiculous overbet, not my style. But, I'd probably make it 30 something and fire a block bet on the river