sharkscope reliability?

[LeFou]

That ripptyde-return post inspired me to look him up at sharkscope, wherein I found about what I expected.

Anyway, my own tourney stats suck, but I was wondering what the consensus is on the completeness of their data? Like e.g. I think private tourneys (read Gauntlets) aren't in there...

[Jimmy Mac]

ripptyde 3,278 $0 $12 2% $819 Super Tilt PokerStars x

xxJimmyMacxx 519 $2 $6 31% $915 - PokerStars


obv this thing is 100% accurate

according to the FAQ, they've tracked 95% since Jan this year, and had 70% coverage for the previous year. They don't track PS MTT's but they do track the 45man and 180man SNGs.

[WildBobAA]

I'm a subscriber and I think it's very accurate. And yea, the reason the gauntlets aren't in there is because the site only tracks SnGs, not MTTs. If you want a site that accurately tracks MTTs, go to www.thepokerdb.com

WildBob182 1,487 $5 $35 9% $7,218

Also, this belongs in the SnG forum.

[Miffed22001]

so i sat at 200nl short stacking, got told i was a fish after a big stack called my AK push with 88 after he then checked my sharkscope stats so i sat with a full buy i nand took his 400bbs stack off him in 90minutes.

Obv if you look under Miffed22001 on thsi site its tells you the exact stats you need to know.
Does it happen to note ive got 4k in profit from 20+2 180man sngs? No.
This thing is junk imo or at the best highly misleading in the wrong contexts.

It also only has a limited number of stats from certain sites.

[WildBobAA]

When did you play those 180s?

Obvioiusly it's not exact but it's tracked ever one of my SnGs since I started playing them again last month. It also gives let's you know who knows what they are doing and who has no idea.

[Miffed22001]

When did you play those 180s?

Obvioiusly it's not exact but it's tracked ever one of my SnGs since I started playing them again last month. It also gives let's you know who knows what they are doing and who has no idea.

well would you believe, i obv have no idea according to that program.

I won my money from stars well before it had the party like multitabling system. I dont know when sharkscope was introduced but it certainly isnt up to date on me thats for sure.

[WildBobAA]

Read the FAQ, it never claims to record every single SnG everyone's ever played. It claims to have 95% coverage since Jan 2006. It doesn't have my 2 $20 180 wins on their either.

Also, if I was playing an SnG with you and sharkscope'd you, I wouldn't label you as a fish, I'd label you as having a small sample size and breaking even.

Seems like you're just getting upset because it didn't record your results that happened a while ago when it never claims to have full coverage before Jan 2006

[PipeLN]

Sometimes it helps to take a look at a person's recent results with advanced search rather than just doing a full search.

Case in point, here is a friend of mine:

pappy112 538 -$3 $11 -21% -$1,449 - PokerStars x

If you saw these stats, you would figure him to be pretty clueless. You may even treat his play differently because of it. For the last couple of months, I have been giving him a little coaching (not that it all sinks in, but he kind of gets what I am saying).
His stats over the past month are:

pappy112 106 $0 $9 6% -$32 - PokerStars <1Mths

He is obviously getting a little better and isn't "quite" the fishy player he used to be. I like to look at the last 1-3 months to get a better picture of how someone is doing "now" rather than overall.

PipeLN

[Miffed22001]

Read the FAQ, it never claims to record every single SnG everyone's ever played. It claims to have 95% coverage since Jan 2006. It doesn't have my 2 $20 180 wins on their either.

Also, if I was playing an SnG with you and sharkscope'd you, I wouldn't label you as a fish, I'd label you as having a small sample size and breaking even.

Seems like you're just getting upset because it didn't record your results that happened a while ago when it never claims to have full coverage before Jan 2006

LoL
we have our ropes tangled .
I dont mind that the program is not upto date on me. It may possibly (in fact it already has) given me a big edge on players who use it and then label players with it (yeah a stars 200nler did just that) and so did a bunch of 50+5 sng players
Sure, it probably is a helpful tool in the right context, i.e for an SNG player to see what level of skill his opponent has, but like all aid software its there to add to your general knowledge of an opponent, it isnt the be all and end all of reads etc.
Im old fashioned in that i believe if you watch 3orbits of poker whether it be an sng/cash game/mtt you can/should be able to, label players in a useful fashion to help you play so while sharkscope does that for you in no time at all, its only an aide device, nothing more.

[WildBobAA]

Yea exactly, it's stupid that the guy was looking at your stats for a cash game where the website doesn't apply.

[Miffed22001]

Yea exactly, it's stupid that the guy was looking at your stats for a cash game where the website doesn't apply.

he applied the fact that i only have very small stakes sngs on shark scope to mean i was fish who had sat with my whole bankroll at 200nl (esp after id been ninja'ing before)

[WildBobAA]

He's a moron

[WildBobAA]

My average stake is $36 on there but that's because I played a ton of 20s/30s before switching to cash games for 6 months while moving from 50NL to 400NL and then coming back to sngs and now I'm a regular at the 109s/215s

That guy is an example of how not to use sharkscope

[anarchoi]

Sharkscope has very precise stats of my entire SNG carreer ( around 800 games within the last 15 months or so).

Im wondering however how the heck they get all the stats from? Its amazing.

I would love to have it, but I think its extremely expensive so I think ill have to settle with my 5 free searches a day.

[ggggggunitfan]

I have also found it very accurate, I play a sngs and i use my 5 searchs almost daily.

kordothebear 4,501 $2 $16 10% $6,927 - PokerStars x

[Dice Man]

I recently played 300 SNG's @ Poker Room. After each session i compared my own stats (poker Office) with Sharkscopes.

I know for a fact that they had me ITM on some tourneys that i crashed out of. The opposite also applied. My final ROI was 26% - which actually was the same as it was with Poker office.

These discerepancy's were few & far between and i found it accurate in the most.

I have now blocked all access to my poker stats to free users of their site.

[Eric]

the site only tracks SnGs, not MTTs.

This is a good point. A lot of the folks that play the 180 player SnGs also play in the large MTT Tournaments that aren't tracked at sharkscope. It is a nice tool for what it covers but one has to remember that large MTTs aren't covered.

[jdubs]

what I have noticed is that It will give you an idea of the caliber of player you are facing, particularly if they have alot of tourneys logged, but it's of course up to you to determine WHY they are, for instance, a big fish. knowing that a person has a losing record over the course of 2000+ sngs doesnt help you unless you can determine why they are losing so badly (i.e. calling station, weak/tight,maniac, etc.) This is probably redundant, but thought I would point it out.

[WildBobAA]

Good point jdubs.

[mattperkins26]

Sharkscope tracks my multi-table tourneys on Ongame (Poker Room). Someone said in an earlier post that it doesn't track those.

Also, the person who said look at the detail is correct. I look at the graph to see if they are steadily decreasing or increasing last 100 games or so. Also, they might be labled "shark" but they have one big win and are decreasing $$ otherwise. So don't blindly follow the pictures!

However, if someone has 70 games and -60% ROI, they probably aren't very good, and will call your AKs push with ATo.

I use sharkscope for every sit-n-go I play. Not that I'm that good or anything.