Standard or weaktight?

[andr3w321]

3rd hand of a party $10 freezeout


***** Hand History for Game 4870061478 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:26894940 Level:1 Blinds(20/40) - Thursday, August 03, 19:35:10 ET 2006
Table Regular(786018) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: DaStunt ( 3520 )
Seat 2: andyk9000 ( 2720 )
Seat 3: grandma772 ( 3000 )
Seat 4: nomad35 ( 3000 )
Seat 5: Prettyboy33 ( 3000 )
Seat 6: oilygas ( 2980 )
Seat 7: nuance ( 3060 )
Seat 8: BDOGG107 ( 2720 )
Trny:26894940 Level:1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to grandma772 [ Th Ts ]
andyk9000 calls [40].
grandma772 raises [160].
nomad35 folds.
WhizrdOfOddZ has joined the table.
Player WhizrdOfOddZ has been moved from table 130 to this table
Prettyboy33 folds.
oilygas raises [500].
nuance folds.
BDOGG107 folds.
DaStunt folds.
andyk9000 folds.
grandma772 folds.
oilygas does not show cards.
oilygas wins 760 chips

[drmcboy]

limp.

fold seems OK after that. you're OOP and flop will often suck.

[Sprayed]

I agree with the limp. I would call a small raise especially if others call. If the flop looks good I'm play'n. If not fold.

[gus27]

I agree with the limp

Why do you guys like the limp in this situation?

I tend to raise here usually and this is my reasoning (feel free to tell me how flawed it may be):

a 4-5x raise in this situation will likely eliminate Ax- and most pp below 77, I know i would have a hard time playing those hands after that action. So who sticks around? 77+ AQ (depending on position),and AK. Also in the tourneys i play it amazes me how many people call this bet with Ax suited. So I'm ahead of alot of hands pf. if I only get one caller and an ace falls on the flop i will usually fire out a cbet representing AK, of course any ace will usually call me at that point, but more often than not it seems that cbet takes the pot which leads me to believe that I'm getting called with 77-JJ and the ace scares them off. more than one caller and i proceed with caution. The limp just seems like it's asking for trouble. I do limp with TT on occaision but more often than not I'm raising.
Would you guys characterize these statements as simply a difference of opinion/style or a leak?

[chardrian]

I raise preflop there as well.

[drmcboy]

I limp because I want this guy to raise to 200 instead of 500 with his big PP/AK so we get a shot at his stack. It's also much easier. Even if our best case scenario - all folds, UTG calls, you are still guessing on the flop without a set. Given his most likely hands are PPs lower than TT, how much money do you want to put in on a 9 7 5 flop? KQ3 two suited?

If you get called behind and by UTG the fun really starts.

You CAN play this hand for a raise, but you will have to work hard to convince me dealing with all that is better than limping. In a short stacked tourney don't get a lot of spots to spend 40-160 to make 3k.

[andr3w321]

Do you recommend limping only if you're not opening the pot? This one didn't turn out too good.

PokerStars Game #5858012798: Tournament #29605741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2006/08/09 - 19:29:15 (ET)
Table '29605741 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Soot3d9s (4100 in chips)
Seat 2: Dstegmeier (4125 in chips)
Seat 3: johnson4774 (2675 in chips)
Seat 4: YaImBluffing (1550 in chips)
Seat 5: TripleD420 (2200 in chips)
Seat 6: P0KERDUUDE (2425 in chips)
Seat 7: andr3w321 (3175 in chips)
Seat 8: kirkyX5 (2400 in chips)
Seat 9: outlaw_7777 (2425 in chips)
TripleD420: posts small blind 25
P0KERDUUDE: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [:Ts: :Th:]
kirkyX5 said, "woulda liked that! "
andr3w321: calls 50
kirkyX5: calls 50
outlaw_7777: calls 50
Soot3d9s: folds
Dstegmeier: folds
johnson4774: folds
YaImBluffing: calls 50
TripleD420: calls 25
P0KERDUUDE: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
TripleD420: checks
P0KERDUUDE: bets 150
andr3w321: raises 300 to 450
kirkyX5: calls 450
outlaw_7777: folds
YaImBluffing: folds
TripleD420: folds
P0KERDUUDE: raises 1925 to 2375 and is all-in
andr3w321: folds
kirkyX5: folds
YaImBluffing said, "so soft raising a blind, what do u think hes betting w/ c mon"
kirkyX5 said, "top pair no good i guess"
P0KERDUUDE collected 1650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1650 | Rake 0
Board [4h 8d 9d]
Seat 1: Soot3d9s folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Dstegmeier folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: johnson4774 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: YaImBluffing (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: TripleD420 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: P0KERDUUDE (big blind) collected (1650)
Seat 7: andr3w321 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: kirkyX5 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: outlaw_7777 folded on the Flop

[tcpj4]

I limp TT and below in EP early on. Take advantage of the deep stacks and play for a set. I don't like the raise because I won't be able to play against KK/AA after the flop if I hit a set (because they raise me out before the flop) and being OOP with middle pair or a weak overpair in a big pot sucks. You played both hands fine.

[chardrian]

I think in most cases, without a read I call in that second hand. Although u might be up against a set or 2 pair, I think it is very likely u r racing against a draw. With the dead money in that pot, I'll take the 50/50 there.

[Sprayed]

I think in most cases, without a read I call in that second hand. Although u might be up against a set or 2 pair, I think it is very likely u r racing against a draw. With the dead money in that pot, I'll take the 50/50 there.

I have to agree.

Similar hand happened to me the other day where I was last to act early in the tourney with 1010 and the board was low. I had two players go all in before me and I called their all in. They both had Ax and their x hit the flop. They didn't have a pair and a draw which would makes a little sense. Sometimes you just run into donkeys and that's why you have to pay attention and play some hands with these guys early in the tourney.

[drmcboy]

I play TT about the same there. I want a read to call. Without kirkyX5 in the hand it is closer. Here you are slight fave or you are drawing super thin.

If I limp a PP I am very rarely going broke with it, unless I flop a draw as well.

[andr3w321]

Villain was out of the bb so I figured 2pair was very likely. Hands like this is exactly why I don't like limping TT.

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