A couple of set laydowns from tonight.

[Renton]

***** Hand History for Game 4901839492 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 08, 00:55:09 ET 2006
Table Monster #1280519 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Beelzeboz0 ( $486.84 )
Seat 8: bobwilbert ( $864.25 )
Seat 10: ASUMATT11 ( $236.12 )
Seat 5: mitbit3434 ( $304.33 )
Seat 3: Premiumstud ( $451.84 )
Seat 9: l___tim___l ( $399 )
Seat 4: San_Petros ( $357.10 )
Seat 2: Alraun ( $899.50 )
Seat 7: jkeown33 ( $391 )
Seat 6: djserious626 ( $116.55 )
Alraun posts small blind [$2].
Premiumstud posts big blind [$4].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ 4s 4h ]

San_Petros folds.
mitbit3434 folds.
djserious626 folds.
jkeown33 folds.
bobwilbert folds.
l___tim___l folds.
ASUMATT11 raises [$8].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$8].
Alraun folds.
Premiumstud folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Th, 5d ]

ASUMATT11 checks.
Beelzeboz0 checks.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]

ASUMATT11 bets [$12].
Beelzeboz0 raises [$37].
ASUMATT11 raises [$68].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$43].

** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]

ASUMATT11 is all-In.
Beelzeboz0 folds.




***** Hand History for Game 4901649819 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 08, 00:24:59 ET 2006
Table Monster #1280600 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: hubandjjs ( $186.70 )
Seat 3: Beelzeboz0 ( $400 )
Seat 4: Sir_Smash3r ( $388.98 )
Seat 8: Damoclis ( $134.23 )
Seat 9: takesathief ( $439.90 )
Seat 10: bdibia0202 ( $249.11 )
Seat 2: Coop ( $253.09 )
Seat 5: pokergent1 ( $170 )
Seat 6: upagain8114 ( $389.50 )
Seat 7: KenDalTX ( $411.80 )
>You have options at Monster #1277222 Table!.
Sir_Smash3r posts small blind [$2].
pokergent1 posts big blind [$4].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ 5c 5s ]

upagain8114 folds.
KenDalTX folds.
Damoclis raises [$8].
takesathief calls [$8].
bdibia0202 folds.
hubandjjs folds.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$8].
Sir_Smash3r folds.
pokergent1 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 5h, Ts ]

Damoclis checks.
takesathief bets [$4].
Beelzeboz0 raises [$22].
Damoclis folds.
takesathief calls [$18].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]

takesathief checks.
Beelzeboz0 checks.

** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]

takesathief bets [$49.10].
Beelzeboz0 folds.

[Waterdick]

#1 - Not sure if he had the straight or not but look like a good fold to me.

#2 - I definitely think villian has the flush >> good laydown.

[DaHorror]

Hand 1 - you are worried about TT/77 here I presume?

Hand 2 - hate having to let it go, but you're right - too much beats you there.

[Renton]

bump

all my hh's get like two responses. Are they just not interesting?

[mxiu]

Hand 1: reads? without reads, gf. however, i think they are really important here.

Hand 2: For some reason I really want to throw a bet in on the turn... By checking behind, villain's betting range on the river is much wider. Also, if we're being picky, raise the flop to $30-$32?

[Fnord]

I re-raise both hands pre-flop

[TerryToma]

bump

all my hh's get like two responses. Are they just not interesting?

Good laydown in #1. He really likes his hand, could be TT.

#2 Why not bet the turn? If he calls with a flush, you can stack him if the board pairs. Good fold on river.

[Renton]

Here were my thoughts about not betting the turn. First of all, no reads in either of these hands.

The weak lead then call is very commonly a draw. The turn completed nearly all plausible draws. Theres no reason to put money in if I am only called when behind and whats worse I think he was going for a check raise with two pair or better 90% of the time on the turn, and so betting the turn risks getting raised off my hand. When the river made matters even worse it was a clear fold.

is my thinking flawed here?

[TerryToma]

Here were my thoughts about not betting the turn. First of all, no reads in either of these hands.

The weak lead then call is very commonly a draw. The turn completed nearly all plausible draws. Theres no reason to put money in if I am only called when behind and whats worse I think he was going for a check raise with two pair or better 90% of the time on the turn, and so betting the turn risks getting raised off my hand. When the river made matters even worse it was a clear fold.

is my thinking flawed here?

Nope, well played. I agree that minbet/call is common for a draw. If you are feeling villian is looking to c/r then any good sized bet would be a spew.

However, what about a small turn bet to see where you are? If villain is a poor player, he might just min-raise you, and you stack him when board pairs on the turn. If he raises AI huge then you just fold. If he just calls, then you can look to show down cheap if unimproved on the river. He could have somethign like AT or JT, and there are a ton of scare cards on the river (spade/Q/A).

[Jay67s]

I see your point in #2, but I bet this turn, probably a little more than 1/2 the pot, fold to a raise. If I hit my outs, I want a big pot.