First Post: Please critique hand

[SAllen0400]

Hey guys, I've been a lurker for about a month now and just registered a little bit ago. Great site with lots of information. Glad I found it. Anyway, now I finally have something to post about.

I am building my bankroll playing the Party $11 Sit n Go''s. Here's what little background I can offer. I didn't really have any reads on the guy. He hadn't played many hands and I was multi-tabling (2 tables) and we were only at Level 3. I had only played 1 hand and didn't have to show it down. On to the hand:

***** Hand History for Game 4914281605 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 27161891) - Wed Aug 09 21:16:20 EDT 2006
Table Table 111899 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: yale08 (3027)
Seat 4: maninthemaze (3010)
Seat 6: jjmac1 (4115)
Seat 7: SAllen0400 (2130)
Seat 8: larboclu (2815)
Seat 9: papawood619 (3303)
Seat 10: FlushedOut5 (1600)
FlushedOut5 posts small blind (50)
yale08 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SAllen0400 [ 7h, 7s ]
maninthemaze calls (100)
jjmac1: trip k's
jjmac1 folds.
SAllen0400 calls (100)
larboclu folds.
papawood619 calls (100)
FlushedOut5 folds.
yale08 checks.

- I wasn't in good position so I just called the BB looking for the set.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 7c, 2c ]
yale08 checks.
maninthemaze checks.
SAllen0400 bets (300)
papawood619 calls (300)
yale08 folds.
maninthemaze folds.

-This is where I begin to question my play. I bet 300 into a 450 pot and he smooth called. Should I have bet more? I was thinking 300 was a pretty standard bet. When he just called, I am thinking flush draw. It crossed my mind to slow play, but I ruled that out because I didn't want to give 5 other players a free card.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
SAllen0400 bets (600)
papawood619 raises (2903) to 2903
papawood619 is all-In.
SAllen0400 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4553 with papawood619

-There is the card I didn't want to see, a club. I bet 600 into a 1050 pot and he came over the top all in and he had me covered. I thought about it for a while and laid down my set. My thought process was about survival. In my opinion this is a legit bet more often than it is a bluff. I figured I had 1100 to fight back with, and folded.

** Summary **
Main Pot: 4553
Board: [ Th 7c 2c Qc ]

SAllen0400 balance 1130, lost 1000 (folded)
papawood619 balance 4553, bet 3303, collected 4553, net +1250 [ Tc 8d ] [ a pair of tens -- Qc,Tc,Th,8d,7c ]

He had top pair with a possible flush. Putting myself in his position he had to see my flop bet as pushing away the flush which gave him the ability to push when the flush did hit. Anything I should have done differently? Again, my main thought was about surviving and being able to continue the tourney because most of the time that's not a bluff. I am open to constructive critisism. Thanks guys

-Sean

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[taipan168]

Welcome to FTR!

Preflop and flop are fine. I play the flop the same as you, with the flush draw out there don't check, you have to charge them to see their draw. I might even bet closer to 100% of the pot but meh either way.

On the turn, I think leading out is fine too, but I would call the push with the set of 7s. You have to call 1130 chips to see a pot of 2780, that is almost 2.5 to 1. If the guy flopped the flush you have 10 outs to improve on the river (1 7, 3 Ts, 3 Qs and 3 2s) so you are 23% to win. Combine with that the times that opp doesn't in fact have the flush - think hands like AT, AQ, two pair, Ax and all sorts of other random shit that $11 players might pull this move with that you crush and it becomes a call IMO.

[tcpj4]

PF and the flop are fine. However, Opp limped on the button. He could do that with a lot of hands, 98, 22, Tx, pretty much anything. Two clubs is one of many possible holdings.

Turn lead is fine. When he pushes all in, that sucks, but you only have 1100 left and you still have 10 outs to a full house that you know are clean if he has a flush. Also, at the $11 level you will find a lot of donks who love to shove in with almost anything. Getting 2.5:1, I would call because of the good chance he has something like QT.

Putting myself in his position he had to see my flop bet as pushing away the flush which gave him the ability to push when the flush did hit.

If he thought this deep, props to him, but most $11 donks won't. I'm guessing the guy is just a maniac, especially after showing the bluff.

[jacbmw]

My 2c,

I think his smooth call on flop suggests TPGK or the crap he had.

Your bet on Turn, with his push gives you 2.6:1 odd to call.

With those odds, and taking into consideration his play on the flop i would call.

You also have the extra outs on the river for the boat/4-kind, which is ~20%.

So, therefore with that turn bet on your behalf, the correct play was to call the AI. But was the turn bet correct?

PS. Where my calculations correct and strategy logical?

[jacbmw]

opps, should have read above. Oh well, now you have the same info in two posts. yippy.

[SAllen0400]

Thanks for the replies. Once I put him on the flush draw, my mind didn't think about any other possible hand. I can't be doing that...

Good insight. Thanks again.

[TLR]

Preflop - fine
On the flop with 4 people seeing the flop I think I bet a little stronger, but 300 is fine too.
On the turn, you got a bad card for you, I think I push it, I want to take the hand on the turn I am taking the risk of villian having a flush

[Madizm]

I don't know if I would have played the preflop like that ... I think at this level and at that position I might be looking at trying to buy position with this hand. A standard 3 or 4 x BB bet would most likely buy you the Button here which I think is crucial with a hand such as 77.

His call preflop is pretty much forced concidering the odds and his position.

That being said, if you felt like the guy to your left or the button were super aggresive then I'd be inclined to call as well.

[Rondavu]

Push preflop, unless you know one of the limpers to be a passive strong limper. Pick your spots and apply pressure.

[TLR]

Push preflop, unless you know one of the limpers to be a passive strong limper. Pick your spots and apply pressure.

what will push accomplish that4-5BB raise wont ?

[Rondavu]

Push preflop, unless you know one of the limpers to be a passive strong limper. Pick your spots and apply pressure.

what will push accomplish that4-5BB raise wont ?

How would you like an 1100 pot with 1500 behind and overcards staring you down? Seriously though, it's meta game in reality. Fact is you have the best hand with 77 here. You're looking to create an action environment for your premium hands, and possibly getting a bonus of a race for a lot of chips against 22-66.

In a game against very good opponents I totally agree with you. They can't be easily tilted, and they're tricky enough to scalp you in a spot like this. Also, you have more fold equity in that game with a 4-5x raise. This is not that game.

[baudib]

You have to call this. Stacks are not nearly deep enough to fold a hand this good. You can't give people at this level credit and he certainly doesn't give you credit for a hand as good as yours. He probably thinks you have a 10 or small pocket pair or something and is fishing for a card to put him over the top.

A pair with a straight draw or flush draw on the turn = fish nuts. A made flush flat-calls here 90 percent of the time at this level.

[baudib]

Push preflop, unless you know one of the limpers to be a passive strong limper. Pick your spots and apply pressure.

what will push accomplish that4-5BB raise wont ?

How would you like an 1100 pot with 1500 behind and overcards staring you down? Seriously though, it's meta game in reality. Fact is you have the best hand with 77 here. You're looking to create an action environment for your premium hands, and possibly getting a bonus of a race for a lot of chips against 22-66.

In a game against very good opponents I totally agree with you. They can't be easily tilted, and they're tricky enough to scalp you in a spot like this. Also, you have more fold equity in that game with a 4-5x raise. This is not that game.

I don't know if i'm missing something here or what..but he's in MP with a small pocket pair with 21 BBs and an UTG limper. I can see the push with TT or JJ but this certainly seems like a spot to try to get a cheap flop.