flush draw

[Beck]

what gives you more +EV

you are in with 2 or more players you are given a flush draw. on the flop. everyone checks around to you. Do you bet it or check looking for your draw card?

what about if you are in early position?

[Fnord]

It depends.

For starters:

How deep is the money?
How big is the pot relative to the blinds/antes?
What's the best way to get these particular players to pay off?
How often would a bet take down the pot?

[Beck]

It depends.

For starters:

How deep is the money?
How big is the pot relative to the blinds/antes?
What's the best way to get these particular players to pay off?
How often would a bet take down the pot?

Okay the game I play is 50NL. and I am just not sure where to go with this. sometimes I raise and everyone calls or even re-raises me.

and this is if everyone in the pot limps in.

I guess the question is, if I raise and everyone folds, vs the posibility of getting a flush and then no one calls your bets and folds?

[Fnord]

If it's an unraised pot with lots of money behind, you should bet for fold equity and to build a pot if you hit so you can make bigger value bets.

[Pelion]

It depends.

For starters:

How deep is the money?
How big is the pot relative to the blinds/antes?
What's the best way to get these particular players to pay off?
How often would a bet take down the pot?

How likely are you to be check/raised?

[Fnord]

How likely are you to be check/raised?

Doesn't matter with deep money unless they hammer it. Particularly against retards that will min-raise. W00t, if I hit the turn I get paid!

[djzcko]

In general, you are better off betting it no matter what position you are in. Fold to any crazy check/raise or huge re-raise. The reason you are better off betting it is twofold: 1. You can take the pot down there. 2. You will get paid better when you hit your flush. Villain always suspects flush draw when you check/call, but if you are the aggressor then there is a higher probability that they will misread your hand and pay you off when you hit.

[cardsman1992]

It depends.

For starters:

How deep is the money?--Need to pay more attn to this, myself
How big is the pot relative to the blinds/antes?--If pot is small (couple of limpers), I bet 2/3 pot to build it up every time. Bigger pot, I bet at less. Flawed? I will raise a draw as well, and I don't normally lead draws at flops in a raised pot.
What's the best way to get these particular players to pay off?--Need to pay more attn to this one too.
How often would a bet take down the pot? In my experience, probably 40-50% of the time. Yours differ?

[flyingPenguin]

Also if you're drawing to the nut flush it's a good idea to bet. Then if you hit you're more likely to get a lower flush all in.

[Fnord]

Also if you're drawing to the nut flush it's a good idea to bet. Then if you hit you're more likely to get a lower flush all in.

Flush over flush is very rare. We would have to be a lot deeper than 100 blinds for me to consider it.

[flyingPenguin]

Flush over flush is very rare. We would have to be a lot deeper than 100 blinds for me to consider it.

So you think it's OK to push against aggression/call a push with only a small pot when you hit a middle flush with 100bb stacks? If there's no action, then lots of action when a flush hits the board, I would assume two flushes.

[Fnord]

I don't believe I've ever folded a smaller flush to a bigger flush with 3 on the board. I've thought about it and wondered about a couple hands I paid off, but it just doesn't come up often enough.