Quote Originally Posted by samsonite2100
Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Plus.. Would you really massively overbet all in on that rag flop if you had aces?
In short: yes.

In hand one, what kind of hand do you expect this guy to bet/call a massive reraise preflop with? Probably something like 99+ and AK
For a moment forget i hold AK. Is calling with 99+ or AK here not a bad play?
Everyone has been very results orientated abou this play becuase i pushed all in on the flop. As i said above, if id done this with AA/KK and got called would we be having this discussion?
Does my opponent not make a fairly big mistake preflop calling here? Sure, if 99+ sets up i get stacked, but then if opp calls here hes making a -ev play anyway if im expected to have AA/KK/QQ 90% the time here. (forget cards look at my line/action/17/8 stats)
Of course it's a bad play by opponent, but the problem is you already identified villain(s) as shitty calling station fish, which is ostensibly why you're making the huge PF raise, right? Then, you defend your play by saying, "well, forget I had AK, it's a bad call by him." But you knew he was the type of bad player capable of making a -EV call like that--again, that's why you're raising these ludicrous amounts PF.

You can't have it both ways--if you're extracting value with good hands PF by making massive raises against players who will call w/ marginal hands and no implied odds, you have to face those same players post-flop and you pushed an unmade hand into exactly the kind of player that will call with 99.
Fair point. The table was fishy, i just expected that when i came in big preflop at 200nl i wouldnt have to watch TT make the juicest of calls.