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  1. #1

    Default 2 Bubble Plays... too aggressive?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    CO (t5645)
    Button (t2340)
    SB (t4085)
    Hero (t7720)
    UTG (t5740)
    UTG+1 (t15730)
    MP1 (t3190)
    MP2 (t14185)
    MP3 (t8865)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 6. Hero posts a blind of t600.
    1 fold, UTG+1: calls t600, Jer: calls t600, 4 folds, DBLDUECE22 calls t300, Hero (poster) raises to t2400, UTG+1: calls t1800, Jer: calls t1800, DBLDUECE22 folds.

    Flop: (t6600) 5, 7, 9 (3 players)
    Hero bets t5270 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t5270 (All-In).



    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB (t25657)
    UTG (t6885)
    Hero (t4255)
    MP1 (t4380)
    MP2 (t5996)
    CO (t10730)
    Button (t5075)
    SB (t4522)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, 5 folds, BB raises to t2000, Hero raises to t4230, BB calls t2230.
    There is no such thing as free checking...
  2. #2
    xxxxx
    30%


    Still looking for my royal flush.
  3. #3
    Ok, second set of edits... corrected stack counts and trimmed unecessary partial results. Thanks to RIP and Taipan for clarifications.

    -M
    There is no such thing as free checking...
  4. #4
    Something wrong with the stack sizes in Hand 1 is down as 4255 but you raised to 2400 preflop and pushed for 5270 postflop ?!?! Stack sizes in Hand 1 and Hand 2 are identical. That said:

    Hand 1 - If you want to pull a PVS here I would just shove all in preflop. That said, I tend towards just folding this preflop.

    Hand 2 - I just open shove.
  5. #5
    "PVS" ?
    Like a stop and go?
    on Hand 1, My intent was to raise pf and push the flop if called, based on the idea of marginal hands calling and then folding when they didn't hit. The fact that I had TPNK made it an easier push, but honestly, I would have pushed anyway based on the pot size.
    (THIS MAY BE A HUGE LEAK- but we can't improve if we're not honest with each other, at least on the forum, right?)
    There is no such thing as free checking...
  6. #6
    ok, I looked back at the Tourney HH for the AK hand...
    Since there were only 22 hands I played in this one, here is my trimmed SNG. give the big picture for how I got to this point. Of course, everytime I post something like this, I get no replies (wah)... so here you go... the thread killer strikes again.

    The Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) was developed by JeffreyGB at http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com.

    ---Statistics---
    Data for 99 hands.
    You played 22 hands (22.22%).
    You raised 10 times preflop (10.10%).



    [7d 6d] CO (M=50.00; f+f+f+f+f+F)
    [6h Th] CO-1 (M=50.00; f+f+c+f+F)
    [Ks 6d] MP2 (M=50.00; f+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 1-----
    Hero's M = 50.00
    PokerStars Game #6160389663: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/03 - 21:45:22 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Jwstew10 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 2: SpaceGodzila (1400 in chips)
    Seat 3: rckr1 (1460 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tiva768 (1400 in chips)
    Seat 5: MaherFarha (1580 in chips)
    Seat 6: d_anjel07 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 7: mark^terry (1660 in chips)
    Seat 8: dcure2002 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (1500 in chips)
    MaherFarha: posts small blind 10
    d_anjel07: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [3s As]
    mark^terry: calls 20
    dcure2002: folds
    Hero: calls 20
    Jwstew10: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    rckr1: calls 20
    Tiva768: calls 20
    MaherFarha: folds
    d_anjel07: raises 180 to 200
    mark^terry: calls 180
    Hero: folds
    rckr1: folds
    Tiva768: calls 180
    *** FLOP *** [5c Ah 5s]
    d_anjel07: bets 220
    mark^terry: folds
    Tiva768: raises 980 to 1200 and is all-in
    d_anjel07: folds
    Tiva768 collected 1090 from pot

    [Jh 9s] UTG+1 (M=49.33; f+F)
    [8h Ts] UTG (M=49.33; F)
    [2h Qc] BB (M=49.33; f+r+f+f+f+f+f+c+F)
    [4h 8d] SB (M=48.67; f+c+f+c+f+f+c+F)
    [Ac 2d] BU (M=48.33; f+f+f+f+r+c+F)
    [3h Th] CO (M=48.33; c+c+r+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 2-----
    Hero's M = 48.33
    PokerStars Game #6160474626: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/03 - 21:52:10 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Jwstew10 (1150 in chips)
    Seat 2: SpaceGodzila (1250 in chips)
    Seat 3: rckr1 (1380 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tiva768 (1750 in chips)
    Seat 5: MaherFarha (1480 in chips)
    Seat 6: d_anjel07 (1020 in chips)
    Seat 7: mark^terry (2540 in chips)
    Seat 8: dcure2002 (1480 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (1450 in chips)
    rckr1: posts small blind 10
    Tiva768: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [6d 6h]
    MaherFarha: calls 20
    d_anjel07: folds
    mark^terry: folds
    dcure2002: raises 60 to 80
    Hero: calls 80
    Jwstew10: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    rckr1: folds
    Tiva768: folds
    MaherFarha: calls 60
    *** FLOP *** [Ad 9d Ah]
    MaherFarha: checks
    dcure2002: bets 120
    Hero: folds
    MaherFarha: folds
    dcure2002 collected 270 from pot
    dcure2002: doesn't show hand

    [7d 4h] MP2 (M=30.44; f+f+f+F)
    [4s Ad] MP1 (M=30.44; f+f+F)
    [Kh 9d] UTG+1 (M=30.44; f+F)
    [6s 2h] UTG (M=30.44; F)
    [Qs 8h] BB (M=30.44; f+f+f+r+c+f+f+c+F)
    [3c 4h] SB (M=29.78; f+r+f+f+f+f+c+F)

    -----Hand 3-----
    Hero's M = 29.44
    PokerStars Game #6160544390: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/09/03 - 21:57:46 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Jwstew10 (1120 in chips)
    Seat 2: SpaceGodzila (1400 in chips)
    Seat 3: rckr1 (1595 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tiva768 (2045 in chips)
    Seat 5: MaherFarha (1070 in chips)
    Seat 6: d_anjel07 (1170 in chips)
    Seat 7: mark^terry (2435 in chips)
    Seat 8: dcure2002 (1340 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (1325 in chips)
    Jwstew10: posts small blind 15
    SpaceGodzila: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
    rckr1: folds
    Tiva768: calls 30
    MaherFarha: raises 1040 to 1070 and is all-in
    d_anjel07: folds
    mark^terry: folds
    dcure2002: folds
    Hero: raises 255 to 1325 and is all-in
    Jwstew10: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    Tiva768: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4s 3h Tc]
    *** TURN *** [4s 3h Tc] [7d]
    *** RIVER *** [4s 3h Tc 7d] [9s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MaherFarha: shows [Ah Kc] (high card Ace)
    Hero: shows [Qc Qd] (a pair of Queens)
    Hero collected 2215 from pot

    [9c 6s] CO (M=54.89; f+c+c+r+F)
    [3s 9h] MP2 (M=54.89; f+f+c+F)
    [7s 2c] MP1 (M=54.89; f+r+F)
    [5s 6c] UTG+1 (M=54.89; c+F)
    [7c As] UTG (M=32.93; F)
    [Jh Qd] BB (M=32.93; f+r+f+c+f+f+c+F)
    [3h Qs] SB (M=32.27; f+f+f+f+f+r+F)
    [9h 5s] BU (M=31.93; c+f+p+f+f+F)
    [2s 6c] CO-1 (M=31.93; f+r+f+f+F)
    [3c 8s] MP1 (M=31.93; c+c+F)
    [8c 2s] UTG+1 (M=31.93; f+F)
    [2d 5d] UTG (M=31.93; F)
    [Td 4d] BB (M=31.93; r+f+f+f+c+f+f+F)
    [9h Jc] SB (M=31.27; f+f+f+c+f+r+F)

    -----Hand 4-----
    Hero's M = 30.93
    PokerStars Game #6160717530: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/09/03 - 22:11:12 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: GatorCaver (260 in chips)
    Seat 3: PawPawDan (2210 in chips)
    Seat 4: WHISTLER/XXX (3210 in chips)
    Seat 5: Hero (2320 in chips)
    Seat 6: dcure2002 (3065 in chips)
    Seat 7: GianniT104 (3955 in chips)
    Seat 8: COALSTOKER (10 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: prowdtexun (2330 in chips)
    dcure2002: posts small blind 25
    GianniT104: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Jc 9s]
    COALSTOKER: folds
    prowdtexun: calls 50
    GatorCaver: folds
    PawPawDan: calls 50
    WHISTLER/XXX: folds
    Hero: raises 150 to 200
    dcure2002: folds
    GianniT104: calls 150
    prowdtexun: folds
    PawPawDan: calls 150
    *** FLOP *** [8s 3h Qs]
    GianniT104: checks
    PawPawDan: checks
    Hero: bets 600
    GianniT104: folds
    PawPawDan: folds
    Hero collected 675 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand

    [4h 9d] CO (M=37.27; f+p+f+f+F)
    [Qc 8c] MP1 (M=18.63; c+f+F)
    [5s 4c] UTG+1 (M=18.63; f+F)
    [Ks 7d] UTG (M=18.63; F)

    -----Hand 5-----
    Hero's M = 18.63
    PokerStars Game #6160761331: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/03 - 22:14:35 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 2: GatorCaver (530 in chips)
    Seat 3: PawPawDan (2060 in chips)
    Seat 4: WHISTLER/XXX (3110 in chips)
    Seat 5: Hero (2795 in chips)
    Seat 6: dcure2002 (3190 in chips)
    Seat 7: GianniT104 (3495 in chips)
    Seat 9: prowdtexun (2180 in chips)
    WHISTLER/XXX: posts small blind 50
    Hero: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [4h 6c]
    dcure2002: folds
    GianniT104: folds
    prowdtexun: calls 100
    GatorCaver: folds
    PawPawDan: folds
    WHISTLER/XXX: calls 50
    Hero: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 6h Kh]
    WHISTLER/XXX: checks
    Hero: checks
    prowdtexun: checks
    *** TURN *** [Tc 6h Kh] [Kc]
    WHISTLER/XXX: bets 100
    Hero: raises 300 to 400
    prowdtexun: folds
    WHISTLER/XXX: folds
    Hero collected 500 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand

    [6d 3s] SB (M=20.63; r+f+p+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 6-----
    Hero's M = 20.30
    PokerStars Game #6160796545: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/03 - 22:17:16 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Feety Five (1145 in chips)
    Seat 2: Eddie Norton (1875 in chips)
    Seat 3: mark^terry (3675 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (6745 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (2060 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1510 in chips)
    Seat 8: leebos (2275 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (3045 in chips)
    Aztab: posts small blind 50
    PawPawDan: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Jc Kd]
    Jwstew10: folds
    leebos: folds
    Hero: raises 200 to 300
    Feety Five: folds
    Eddie Norton: folds
    mark^terry: calls 300
    Aztab: folds
    PawPawDan: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4h 9d 9h]
    Hero: bets 750
    mark^terry: calls 750
    *** TURN *** [4h 9d 9h] [Ts]
    Hero: checks
    mark^terry: checks
    *** RIVER *** [4h 9d 9h Ts] [As]
    Hero: checks
    mark^terry: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hero: shows [Jc Kd] (a pair of Nines)
    mark^terry: shows [4c Ac] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
    mark^terry collected 2250 from pot

    [Th 6c] UTG+1 (M=13.30; f+F)
    [Qh 6c] UTG (M=13.30; F)

    -----Hand 7-----
    Hero's M = 13.30
    PokerStars Game #6160823534: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/03 - 22:19:19 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 2: Eddie Norton (1875 in chips)
    Seat 3: mark^terry (5870 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (7145 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (1910 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1360 in chips)
    Seat 8: leebos (2175 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (1995 in chips)
    leebos: posts small blind 50
    Hero: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Th 8h]
    Eddie Norton: folds
    mark^terry: folds
    bishop2 is connected
    Aztab: raises 100 to 200
    PawPawDan: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    leebos: calls 150
    Hero: calls 100
    *** FLOP *** [Qh Kh 5c]
    leebos: checks
    Hero: checks
    Aztab: checks
    *** TURN *** [Qh Kh 5c] [2s]
    leebos: checks
    Hero: checks
    Aztab: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Qh Kh 5c 2s] [3c]
    leebos: checks
    Hero: bets 300
    Aztab: calls 300
    leebos: folds
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hero: shows [Th 8h] (high card King)
    Aztab: shows [3s Ac] (a pair of Threes)
    Aztab collected 1200 from pot


    -----Hand 8-----
    Hero's M = 9.97
    PokerStars Game #6160834695: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/03 - 22:20:10 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Eddie Norton (1875 in chips)
    Seat 3: mark^terry (5870 in chips)
    Seat 4: bishop2 (1900 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (7845 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (1910 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1360 in chips)
    Seat 8: leebos (1975 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (1495 in chips)
    Hero: posts small blind 50
    Eddie Norton: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [As Ks]
    mark^terry: folds
    bishop2: calls 100
    Aztab: calls 100
    PawPawDan: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    leebos: raises 1875 to 1975 and is all-in
    Hero: calls 1445 and is all-in
    Eddie Norton: folds
    bishop2: folds
    Aztab: folds
    *** FLOP *** [7s Ad 4s]
    *** TURN *** [7s Ad 4s] [Jh]
    *** RIVER *** [7s Ad 4s Jh] [7c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hero: shows [As Ks] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
    leebos: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
    Hero collected 3290 from pot

    [6d 9c] BU (M=21.93; f+f+f+c+f+F)
    [4h 2c] CO (M=21.93; r+c+f+p+F)
    [2d 3c] MP2 (M=14.62; f+f+c+F)

    -----Hand 9-----
    Hero's M = 14.62
    PokerStars Game #6160891716: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/03 - 22:24:25 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 3: mark^terry (5395 in chips)
    Seat 4: bishop2 (1625 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (9225 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (1440 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1385 in chips)
    Seat 8: leebos (1870 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (3290 in chips)
    Aztab: posts small blind 75
    PawPawDan: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Qd Js]
    Jwstew10: folds
    leebos: folds
    Hero: raises 300 to 450
    mark^terry: folds
    bishop2: folds
    Aztab: raises 300 to 750
    PawPawDan: folds
    Hero: folds
    Aztab collected 1050 from pot
    Aztab: shows [Jc Jh] (a pair of Jacks)

    [5c 7s] UTG+1 (M=12.62; f+F)
    [9d 8s] UTG (M=12.62; F)
    [4h 9s] BB (Folded to Hero.)
    [Tc 3c] SB (M=12.96; f+r+f+f+p+F)
    [7h Kc] BU (M=12.62; f+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 10-----
    Hero's M = 12.62
    PokerStars Game #6160946601: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/03 - 22:28:28 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 3: mark^terry (5170 in chips)
    Seat 4: bishop2 (1775 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (10705 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (2580 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1160 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (2840 in chips)
    bishop2: posts small blind 75
    Aztab: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [As Qd]
    PawPawDan: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    Hero: raises 300 to 450
    mark^terry has timed out
    mark^terry: folds
    mark^terry is sitting out
    mark^terry has returned
    bishop2: folds
    Aztab: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [2h 8d 2s]
    Aztab: checks
    Hero: bets 1000
    Aztab: folds
    Hero collected 975 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand


    -----Hand 11-----
    Hero's M = 14.96
    PokerStars Game #6160960694: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/03 - 22:29:31 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 3: mark^terry (5170 in chips)
    Seat 4: bishop2 (1700 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (10255 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (2580 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1160 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (3365 in chips)
    Aztab: posts small blind 75
    PawPawDan: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Tc Jh]
    Jwstew10: folds
    Hero: raises 300 to 450
    mark^terry: folds
    bishop2: folds
    Aztab: raises 300 to 750
    PawPawDan: folds
    Hero: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [Kh Td 9d]
    Aztab: checks
    Hero: bets 2615 and is all-in
    Aztab: calls 2615
    *** TURN *** [Kh Td 9d] [6s]
    *** RIVER *** [Kh Td 9d 6s] [2s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Aztab: shows [6d 3d] (a pair of Sixes)
    Hero: shows [Tc Jh] (a pair of Tens)
    Hero collected 6880 from pot

    [9c Jh] UTG (M=30.58; F)

    -----Hand 12-----
    Hero's M = 30.58
    PokerStars Game #6160981997: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/03 - 22:31:07 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 3: mark^terry (7170 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (6890 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (2280 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (1010 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hero (6880 in chips)
    Jwstew10: posts small blind 75
    Hero: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [7c Ah]
    mark^terry: folds
    Aztab: raises 150 to 300
    PawPawDan: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    Hero: calls 150
    *** FLOP *** [4d 9s Kd]
    Hero: checks
    Aztab: bets 600
    Hero: folds
    Aztab collected 675 from pot


    -----Hand 13-----
    Hero's M = 29.24
    PokerStars Game #6160988923: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/03 - 22:31:38 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 3: mark^terry (7170 in chips)
    Seat 5: Aztab (7265 in chips)
    Seat 6: PawPawDan (2280 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jwstew10 (935 in chips)
    Seat 8: GIANLUCA666 (4305 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
    Seat 9: Hero (6580 in chips)
    Hero: posts small blind 75
    mark^terry: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [6d 6s]
    Aztab: folds
    GIANLUCA666 is connected
    PawPawDan: folds
    Jwstew10: calls 150
    Hero: calls 75
    GIANLUCA666 has returned
    mark^terry: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 4s Qc]
    Hero: checks
    mark^terry: checks
    Jwstew10: bets 300
    Hero: folds
    mark^terry: folds
    Jwstew10 collected 450 from pot
    Jwstew10: doesn't show hand

    [Qh 2h] BU (M=28.58; c+f+f+F)
    [Jd 4d] CO (M=21.43; f+f+F)
    [Ks 5d] MP1 (M=21.43; f+F)
    [Kc 3d] UTG (M=21.43; F)

    -----Hand 14-----
    Hero's M = 21.43
    PokerStars Game #6161033483: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:34:47 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: bergis99 (2195 in chips)
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (2923 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (2005 in chips)
    Seat 4: blokeinny (3325 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (6775 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (6430 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (4480 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (1035 in chips)
    Kilogolf: posts small blind 100
    Hero: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [6s 5c]
    SarasGrammy: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    bergis99: folds
    prowdtexun: calls 200
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    blokeinny: folds
    Kilogolf: calls 100
    Hero: checks
    *** FLOP *** [7c 5h Kc]
    Kilogolf: checks
    Hero: bets 600
    prowdtexun: folds
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero collected 600 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand

    [Ad 8s] SB (M=22.77; f+f+f+r+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 15-----
    Hero's M = 22.43
    PokerStars Game #6161052019: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:36:05 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: bergis99 (2195 in chips)
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (2723 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (2305 in chips)
    Seat 4: blokeinny (3325 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (6575 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (6730 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (4280 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (1035 in chips)
    SarasGrammy: posts small blind 100
    Jwstew10: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [As 5s]
    bergis99: folds
    prowdtexun: calls 200
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    blokeinny: folds
    Kilogolf: calls 200
    Hero: raises 600 to 800
    SarasGrammy: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    prowdtexun: folds
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero collected 900 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand

    [5d 7s] CO (M=24.77; f+f+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 16-----
    Hero's M = 24.77
    PokerStars Game #6161070674: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:37:25 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: bergis99 (1995 in chips)
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (2523 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (2305 in chips)
    Seat 4: blokeinny (3325 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (6375 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (7430 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (4580 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (635 in chips)
    bergis99: posts small blind 100
    prowdtexun: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [As 8s]
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    blokeinny: folds
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero: calls 200
    SarasGrammy: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    bergis99: calls 100
    prowdtexun: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Qh 7h]
    bergis99: bets 200
    prowdtexun: folds
    Hero: raises 600 to 800
    bergis99: raises 995 to 1795 and is all-in
    Hero: folds
    bergis99 collected 2200 from pot
    bergis99: doesn't show hand

    [7h 6s] MP1 (M=21.43; c+c+F)
    [5c Tc] UTG+1 (M=21.43; f+F)
    [6s 9h] UTG (M=21.43; F)

    -----Hand 17-----
    Hero's M = 21.43
    PokerStars Game #6161115511: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:40:39 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (1223 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (2305 in chips)
    Seat 4: blokeinny (6225 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (5575 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (6430 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (3580 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (635 in chips)
    Kilogolf: posts small blind 100
    Hero: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [6s Ks]
    SarasGrammy: calls 200
    Jwstew10: folds
    prowdtexun: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    blokeinny: calls 200
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero: checks
    *** FLOP *** [7s 3h Js]
    Hero: bets 600
    SarasGrammy: folds
    blokeinny: folds
    Hero collected 700 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand

    [Ks 4s] SB (M=23.10; f+r+f+f+f+F)
    [Ts 2h] BU (M=22.77; r+f+f+f+F)
    [6d Td] CO (M=22.77; f+c+f+F)
    [6d 7h] MP1 (M=14.38; f+f+F)

    -----Hand 18-----
    Hero's M = 14.33
    PokerStars Game #6161205083: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:47:12 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (1763 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (3355 in chips)
    Seat 4: blokeinny (5800 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (5450 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (6805 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (1755 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (1045 in chips)
    All Players post the ante 25
    SpaceGodzila: posts small blind 100
    blokeinny: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Jd Ts]
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero: raises 400 to 600
    SarasGrammy: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    prowdtexun: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    blokeinny: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Td 7d Qc]
    blokeinny: checks
    Hero: bets 1500
    blokeinny: folds
    Hero collected 1475 from pot
    Hero: doesn't show hand

    [2s 3d] UTG (M=16.12; F)

    -----Hand 19-----
    Hero's M = 16.06
    PokerStars Game #6161218956: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:48:16 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (1713 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (3680 in chips)
    Seat 4: blokeinny (5050 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (5200 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (7630 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (1705 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (995 in chips)
    All Players post the ante 25
    Kilogolf: posts small blind 100
    Hero: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Tc Kc]
    SarasGrammy: folds
    Jwstew10: folds
    prowdtexun: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    blokeinny: calls 200
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero: raises 400 to 600
    blokeinny: raises 4425 to 5025 and is all-in
    Hero: folds
    blokeinny collected 1475 from pot
    blokeinny: doesn't show hand

    [3d 6c] SB (M=15.57; c+p+f+f+F)
    [9c Qd] BU (M=15.29; f+f+f+F)
    [6h 8c] CO (M=15.23; f+f+F)
    [3s Qd] MP1 (M=15.18; f+F)
    [4s Kh] UTG (M=15.12; F)

    -----Hand 20-----
    Hero's M = 15.07
    PokerStars Game #6161265166: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2006/09/03 - 22:51:49 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 5' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 2: prowdtexun (1336 in chips)
    Seat 3: SpaceGodzila (2150 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kilogolf (4750 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hero (6780 in chips)
    Seat 8: SarasGrammy (3235 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jwstew10 (1822 in chips)
    All Players post the ante 25
    Kilogolf: posts small blind 100
    Hero: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [5c 7c]
    SarasGrammy: calls 200
    Jwstew10: folds
    prowdtexun: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    Kilogolf: calls 100
    Hero: checks
    *** FLOP *** [9d 7d 2h]
    Kilogolf: checks
    Hero: bets 750
    SarasGrammy: raises 750 to 1500
    Kilogolf: folds
    Hero: folds
    SarasGrammy collected 2250 from pot
    SarasGrammy: doesn't show hand

    [2d 9c] SB (M=12.90; f+f+p+f+F)
    [Td 4d] BU (M=12.62; f+f+c+F)
    [7c 6h] CO (M=12.57; f+f+F)
    [3c 8h] MP1 (M=12.51; f+F)
    [5s 9c] UTG (M=13.19; F)
    [3d 4d] BB (M=13.13; f+f+r+f+F)
    [Jh 9h] SB (M=12.60; p+f+f+F)
    [8d 6h] UTG (M=9.96; F)
    [9c Qh] BB (M=6.31; f+c+f+f+f+f+r+f+F)

    -----Hand 21-----
    Hero's M = 5.79
    PokerStars Game #6161340399: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/09/03 - 22:57:31 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Aztab (27497 in chips)
    Seat 2: truelove98 (4385 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero (4780 in chips)
    Seat 4: bergis99 (3765 in chips)
    Seat 5: SarasGrammy (6721 in chips)
    Seat 6: GIANLUCA666 (2830 in chips)
    Seat 7: blokeinny (7475 in chips)
    Seat 8: Kilogolf (5800 in chips)
    Seat 9: SpaceGodzila (4247 in chips)
    All Players post the ante 25
    Hero: posts small blind 200
    bergis99: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [6s 6d]
    SarasGrammy: folds
    GIANLUCA666: folds
    blokeinny: folds
    Kilogolf: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    Aztab: folds
    truelove98: calls 400
    Hero: calls 200
    bergis99: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Th 4c Qc]
    Hero: checks
    bergis99: bets 800
    truelove98: calls 800
    Hero: folds
    *** TURN *** [Th 4c Qc] [6c]
    bergis99: bets 800
    truelove98: calls 800
    *** RIVER *** [Th 4c Qc 6c] [Ac]
    bergis99: checks
    truelove98: bets 800
    bergis99: folds
    truelove98 collected 4625 from pot
    truelove98: doesn't show hand

    [3d 8h] BU (M=5.28; f+c+f+f+r+f+F)
    [9c 3h] CO (M=5.25; r+f+f+c+f+F)
    [6d 7d] MP2 (M=5.38; r+f+f+F)
    [4s 5d] MP1 (M=5.35; r+f+F)

    -----Hand 22-----
    Hero's M = 5.32
    PokerStars Game #6161384025: Tournament #31230838, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/09/03 - 23:00:45 (ET)
    Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
    Table '31230838 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Aztab (25657 in chips)
    Seat 2: truelove98 (6885 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero (4255 in chips)
    Seat 4: bergis99 (4380 in chips)
    Seat 5: SarasGrammy (5996 in chips)
    Seat 7: blokeinny (10730 in chips)
    Seat 8: Kilogolf (5075 in chips)
    Seat 9: SpaceGodzila (4522 in chips)
    All Players post the ante 25
    SpaceGodzila: posts small blind 200
    Aztab: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Kd Ad]
    truelove98: folds
    Hero: raises 800 to 1200
    bergis99: folds
    SarasGrammy: folds
    blokeinny: folds
    Kilogolf: folds
    SpaceGodzila: folds
    Aztab: raises 800 to 2000
    Hero: raises 2230 to 4230 and is all-in
    Aztab: calls 2230
    *** FLOP *** [3h 3c 3s]
    *** TURN *** [3h 3c 3s] [Jh]
    *** RIVER *** [3h 3c 3s Jh] [4d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Aztab: shows [8d 8h] (a full house, Threes full of Eights)
    Hero: shows [Kd Ad] (three of a kind, Threes)
    Aztab collected 8860 from pot

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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by magneticskull
    "PVS" ?
    Like a stop and go?
    on Hand 1, My intent was to raise pf and push the flop if called, based on the idea of marginal hands calling and then folding when they didn't hit. The fact that I had TPNK made it an easier push, but honestly, I would have pushed anyway based on the pot size.
    (THIS MAY BE A HUGE LEAK- but we can't improve if we're not honest with each other, at least on the forum, right?)
    PVS = Phil van Sexton. Basically it means shoving over multiple limpers to try to just pick up the pot preflop - link in the SNG Tactics post.

    To be honest, I think fold > push preflop > what you did

    OK, I'll take a look at your whole tourney, may take a little while though. Is this a 45-person $5.50?
  8. #8
    OK, I'll take a look at your whole tourney, may take a little while though. Is this a 45-person $5.50?
    Yes.
    And thanks... looks like you, me and RIP are the only ones awake at this hour...
    There is no such thing as free checking...
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by magneticskull
    And thanks... looks like you, me and RIP are the only ones awake at this hour...
    Take a look at my location - it is 5pm here.
  10. #10
    LOL
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  11. #11
    I qualify this by stating that I don't usually play multitable SNGs so take thesee comments for what they're worth.

    Overall:
    - Maybe this is a single table rather than multitable mentality, but you are playing too many marginal hands OOP. Don't be raising shit like J9o from early position, this is just asking for trouble.
    - When you are raising preflop, 250 rather than 300 and 400 rather than 450 can save you a lot of chips. Remember that the pot size grows exponentially so you save not only 50 chips preflop, but potentially another 50 chips in your c-bet. Speaking of c-bets...
    - Don't bet pot/overbet the pot as a c-bet! 1/2 to 2/3 the pot is plenty and saves you chips if opp pushes over or calls and you need to shut down.

    Specific hands:

    1. Fold preflop. Don't get involved with A-rag soooted out of position.

    3. At low buyins this is an easy call, these idiots push over with all sorts of crap. I was actually surprised that you were flipping here rather than ahead.

    4. Fold preflop. Patience is a virtue! I don't do this, even from the button. J9o is trash at these blind levels. This could easily have cost you more than 1/3 of your stack.

    5. I don't mind the turn raise, the minbet usually means opp doesn't have anything.

    6. Fold preflop. If it was folded to you on the button or possibly CO you could play KJo like this but not from MP2. Also, I would raise to 250 rather than 300 preflop, 50 chips each time really adds up...as played, why did you overbet the pot on the flop? 400 will win you the pot as often as 750 and saves you some chips if opp calls and you have to shut down.

    7. Others may disagree, but I would fold preflop. Yes I know you're getting 6:1 on the call but I just don't want to play T8s out of position. As played, I actually would have semi-bluffed your flush draw on the flop rather than when you missed your draw on the river.

    8. Fine, I call this all day long, particularly with 2 limpers' dead chips in the pot.

    9. Fold preflop. Again, I would raise from the button but not from CO-1. Plus make it 400 rather than 450 to go.

    10. Don't overbet the flop as a c-bet! There is 975 in the pot, 500-600 is plenty. You're up against the big stack, if he pushes over you have to fold and could have saved 400 chips.

    11. Fold preflop. As played, I think the flop push is risky given opp re-raised preflop, he may well have the K. OMG Aztab's play is terrible - minreraising with 63 soooooted then calling your push with nowhere near the right odds. I hope you made a note on him along the lines of "SOOOOOTED DONKEY HEE HAW!"

    12. I fold this preflop - given what a donkey this guy is you may well be ahead but I'd rather try to stack him when you have a monster rather than playing a hand like A7o OOP against an aggressive donkey.

    13. I might put the shortstack limper all-in preflop. Make him decide whether to play for all his chips! I would not push though, if BB wakes up with a hand and calls you could be in really bad shape.

    14. Again, don't overbet the pot. 300-400 is plenty here.

    15. I think this is OK. What was your plan if either limper pushed over?

    16. Raise or fold preflop. Given you are the big stack and the second stack is out of the way, I make it 500 to go. As played, fold the flop. If you had the A it is an easy push over but I would just get out of the way on that monotone flop.

    17. I think this is OK. Again, 400 is plenty here, no need to bet pot.

    18. As per the other hands I commented on, fold JTo OOP and don't overbet the pot on the flop. 800 would have been plenty here.

    19. I think this is fine SO LONG as you realise that if you're called, there isn't much that you're dominating and to play carefully if the flop comes K or T high.

    [9c Qd] BU (M=15.29; f+f+f+F) - Depending on reads on the blinds, I might try to steal here.

    20. Again, bet a little less on the flop. There is 750 in the pot, 400 is plenty.

    21. Depending on reads on the button limper, I would consider shoving here. You have both the limper and BB oustacked, they're (hopefully!) not calling you with marginal hands like QTo.

    22. Open shove preflop. Aztab the donkey probably still calls you with 88 given he is big stack but let's not be results oriented - by shoving you probably fold out some hands against which you are a slight underdog (eg. small pocket pairs).
  12. #12
    Thanks Tai.
    I appreciate the detail. I have been over c-betting alot recently. I do find it interesting that there are hands you will raise in position, but FOLD out of position. This seems to be a common theme with some of the frequent posters. (maybe there's something important here )

    Once again, thanks for taking the time. Helpful.
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