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    Default Folding AK to a single bet preflop standard?

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    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. Hero posts a blind of $5.
    3 folds, MP1 raises to $45, 6 folds.

    Final Pot: $60

    Villain is a 12/2 over a ton of hands. Anyone like or dislike this?
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    Against a 12/2, OOP, I don't see a problem with it. With a nit like that you pretty much know what he has here. If you pair your AK on the flop you still won't know if you're good or not, especially if you hit your K.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate George
    Against a 12/2, OOP, I don't see a problem with it. With a nit like that you pretty much know what he has here. If you pair your AK on the flop you still won't know if you're good or not, especially if you hit your K.
    Pretty much my exact reasoning.
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    The chances of him getting AA or KK when you have AK is ~0.5%. So he has you dominated around 1/4 times.
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    standard
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
    The chances of him getting AA or KK when you have AK is ~0.5%. So he has you dominated around 1/4 times.
    The probabilty is much much higher considering the fact he only raises %2 of the time making his range probably. AA KK AK QQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pingviini
    standard
    *Cough* gutshot
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
    The chances of him getting AA or KK when you have AK is ~0.5%. So he has you dominated around 1/4 times.
    The probabilty is much much higher considering the fact he only raises %2 of the time making his range probably. AA KK AK QQ.

    Right, two thumbs' math is wrong because villain is a 12/2 over a ton of hands...not over a ton of hands where ilikeaces has AK. Thus, the chances of him raising when ilikeaces holds AK is less than 2% and his range is still the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
    The chances of him getting AA or KK when you have AK is ~0.5%. So he has you dominated around 1/4 times.
    i like those odds, all in!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    Does your play change if you're on the button?
    Not against this opp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
    So he has you dominated around 1/4 times.
    I talked about the probability of getting dealt AA/KK. So this guy will limp or fold 98% of the time, raise without AA/KK ~1.5% percent of the time and raise with AA/KK ~0.5% of the time. The odds of him having AA or KK here are about 3:1
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
    So he has you dominated around 1/4 times.
    I talked about the probability of getting dealt AA/KK. So this guy will limp or fold 98% of the time, raise without AA/KK ~1.5% percent of the time and raise with AA/KK ~0.5% of the time. The odds of him having AA or KK here are about 3:1
    What does he have the other times? Is it worth playing OOP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    Right, two thumbs' math is wrong because villain is a 12/2 over a ton of hands...not over a ton of hands where ilikeaces has AK. Thus, the chances of him raising when ilikeaces holds AK is less than 2% and his range is still the same.
    Didn't think of this though.. Damn.

    A range of AA, KK and AK would be pretty close to 2%. If we add QQ it's around 2.5% but it's not sure he raises all hands everytime.

    So if his range is AA, KK, QQ and AK, there are 3 ways each for him to get dealt AA or KK, 6 ways for QQ and 9 ways for AK. This changes the odds to 1:2.5
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    12/2 at 5/10$ !? Wow.

    Is it common ? Is it possible to set mine at these stakes and still make money in the long term ? Seems like this guy would be Mr. Transparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al4As
    12/2 at 5/10$ !? Wow.

    Is it common ? Is it possible to set mine at these stakes and still make money in the long term ? Seems like this guy would be Mr. Transparent.
    Yes and Yes. People are dumb. I am 13/8 and beat the game at 3.5/100 long term nl1000 full ring. Also I am 16.8/11 at nl600 6max and am a longterm 5/100 winner.
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    yeah, but you are king of the nits. We can't possibly emulate your godly, nitty ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    yeah, but you are king of the nits. We can't possibly emulate your godly, nitty ways.
    Well Obv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    yeah, but you are king of the nits. We can't possibly emulate your godly, nitty ways.
    Well Obv.

    obviously you get dealt AAmore often than we common fish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    yeah, but you are king of the nits. We can't possibly emulate your godly, nitty ways.
    Well Obv.

    obviously you get dealt AAmore often than we common fish
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    yeah this isn't standard, but in this case it is standard. do you see why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bmxicle
    yeah this isn't standard, but in this case it is standard. do you see why?
    Obviously I see why since I folded it. On a side note hows it feel to be a tight little nit like me? O how the mighty have fallen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Quote Originally Posted by Bmxicle
    yeah this isn't standard, but in this case it is standard. do you see why?
    Obviously I see why since I folded it. On a side note hows it feel to be a tight little nit like me? O how the mighty have fallen.
    Says the guy with the negligible variance 6-max stats. You've been a nit for longer than you let on.
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    Not Hijacking,
    this same thing happened to me, This guy raises 2% of the time over 1200 hands.
    Then he raised 19x the BB.

    I folded then asked him 10x what was worth 19x the BB, but he never even said a word. I think I was a little on tilt after folding, trying to figure out what he had.




    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappy333
    UTG, plays super tight poker, I couldn't imagine playing for stacks with my drawing hand. I think I should have at least called, but I figured he had a small/med pair. maybe AK? anyways..... WWYD?
    I obv folded.




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    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
    UTG raises to $1.9, 8 folds.

    Final Pot: $2.05

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. UTG wins $2.05.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappy333
    Not Hijacking,
    this same thing happened to me, This guy raises 2% of the time over 1200 hands.
    Then he raised 19x the BB.

    I folded then asked him 10x what was worth 19x the BB, but he never even said a word. I think I was a little on tilt after folding, trying to figure out what he had.




    Quote Originally Posted by mrhappy333
    UTG, plays super tight poker, I couldn't imagine playing for stacks with my drawing hand. I think I should have at least called, but I figured he had a small/med pair. maybe AK? anyways..... WWYD?
    I obv folded.




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    UTG ($9.40)
    Hero ($9.80)
    MP1 ($4.45)
    MP2 ($9)
    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
    UTG raises to $1.9, 8 folds.

    Final Pot: $2.05

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. UTG wins $2.05.
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    Not hijacking at all indeed.

    Pretty interesting 10NL hand too.
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