Hand reading exercise.

[shysti]

What range of hands do you put the hero (guy who intially raised) and the villian (guy who won the pot)

PokerStars Game #6188136109: Tournament #31066474, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2006/09/06 - 02:03:26 (ET)
Table '31066474 11' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pabs506 (53275 in chips)
Seat 2: MightyM33 (156340 in chips)
Seat 3: ActionJeff (154934 in chips)
Seat 5: Jnelson214 (115488 in chips)
Seat 6: SBRounder (44717 in chips)
Seat 7: NutCrusher21 (156348 in chips)
Seat 8: mlb55 (50040 in chips)
Seat 9: ElkY (215358 in chips)
pabs506: posts the ante 200
MightyM33: posts the ante 200
ActionJeff: posts the ante 200
Jnelson214: posts the ante 200
SBRounder: posts the ante 200
NutCrusher21: posts the ante 200
mlb55: posts the ante 200
ElkY: posts the ante 200
NutCrusher21: posts small blind 2000
mlb55: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
ElkY: folds
pabs506: folds
MightyM33: folds
ActionJeff: raises 6025 to 10025
Jnelson214: folds
SBRounder: folds
NutCrusher21: calls 8025
mlb55: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d Jh 3h]
NutCrusher21: checks
ElkY said, "haha thanks martine"
ActionJeff: bets 15679
NutCrusher21: calls 15679
*** TURN *** [6d Jh 3h] [5d]
NutCrusher21: checks
ActionJeff: bets 38030
NutCrusher21: raises 92414 to 130444 and is all-in
ActionJeff: calls 91000 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [6d Jh 3h 5d] [Kd]
SBRounder said, "wow"



ActionJeff was busted this hand and nutcracker21 won it.

[fjuanl]

i know vaguely how action jeff plays...so its hard to put him on an exact hand because he's probably raising about 30% of them in that spot.

nutcrushers check/call, check/raise seems like a huge hand, probably a set or possibly AJ.

action jeff can probably fire out out a second barrell there because it looks like its just a floater by nutcrushers. after he calls the c/r you have to at least put him on KJ/AJ/66/33/J6/QQ+/flush draw

[PokerBarney]

I'd say Jeff was betting on a set, and Nutcrusher pushed with a flush draw and made it.

[Phantaroth]

I think its set over set, Nutcrusher with JJ and Action Jeff with 66.

[thenonsequitur]

I'd say Jeff was betting on a set, and Nutcrusher pushed with a flush draw and made it.

I like this analysis.

[ThelVlaster]

*** RIVER *** [6d Jh 3h 5d] [Kd]
SBRounder said, "wow"

That reaffirms the above analysis

[thenonsequitur]

*** RIVER *** [6d Jh 3h 5d] [Kd]
SBRounder said, "wow"

For this same reason, I wouldn't be too surprised to see KKK vs JJJ.

[zenbitz]

Or KK vs AA

[chardrian]

Ok we are 8 handed - presumably somewhat deep (4 1/2 hours in if levels are increasing every 15 minutes), and both players are pretty deep stacked (Ms around 20).

So knowing ActionJeff is pretty Loose preflop his range is pretty wide - let's say any pocket pair, any broadway, any suited A, A9+, 9Ts+. Clearly you can much around with this quite a bit - the important thing to note is his range is wide.

Nutcrusher is OOP in the SB. So the call tells us either he has a huge hand which he is slowplaying, or a marginal hand which he is getting a decent price on and hopes to hit a flop or outplay AJ postflop. Given that you have provided no reads, I think you sorta have to give Nutcrusher the same type of range as AJ.

Postflop: The flop is ugly - it comes J high with 2 hearts and the only str8 draw you are worried about being 45 (unlikely). It gets checked to AJ who makes a standard contiuation bet. And Nut calls it. We really have no better read on AJ since he is expected to bet there, but what is Nut calling with? Either he is floating to make a play or he has a little sumtin sumtin. I'd put his range at any pair, or the flush draw.

The turn is the 5d - putting two flush draws on board now. AJ gets checkraised all-in when both players still have more than enough chips to do battle.

At this point I'd put Action Jeff on AJ,JK, a set, QQ+, or some huge draw.

I would put nutcrusher on the same hands but he also could just be bluffing at a bad time.

[shysti]

Great responses, but I ask, if you were on a flush draw, why would you check raise all in on the turn? Wouldn't you want to see the river to see if you connected?

Am I wrong in this thinking? I'll post what the actual hands were after a few more people have given their analysis.

[fjuanl]

i dont think ive ever seen a flush draw check/call and then check/raise a blank turn. flush draws check/raise the flop if they are going to check/raise at all

[PokerBarney]

If you're drawing, it doesn't so much matter what you're drawing to if you think your opponent will let go of his top pair. It's a semi-bluff, and most of the time it will win the hand right there.

Nutcrushers c/r all-in looks very strong (either a semi-bluff flush draw or an overpair?), so jeff would have to be calling with a set.

Yeah, I want to add an overpair into Nutcrushers possible hands (KK...)

[shysti]

Hmm well despite the fact I know what their exact hands were, I analyze the hand a bit different from what I've heard so far. Because when I was watching the hand develop and before it was over I knew what nutcrusher hand, but wasn't too sure about ActionJeff. So with that said:

The way I see it, if nutcrusher had a hand like QQ KK AA, wouldn't he reraise him preflop instead of just calling? Secondly, when the flop came it came along with 2 hearts, and from what everyone is saying ActionJeff plays kinda loose, so a suited hand is well within his range.

Yet on the flop Nutcrusher only checks, that isn't consistent with one of the hands I mention above, yet AJ bets out a cbet and nut crusher calls. The turn comes a blank, yet putting two flush draws on the board and what does nutcrusher do? He check raises all in ! NOW, to me that is sign of some serious slow play who now is truly worried about BOTH flush draws on the board.

So what could he have that he's isn't worried about the flush draw on the flop, but is by the turn? I say a set. I believe if he flopped 2 pair on that flush draw flop he would of still reraised his cbet, but with a set it's just strong enough to take that chance and slow play.


Now I'll tell you ActionJeff had AJ as his hand. I am not sure what reads he had on nutcrusher to play this hand like he did, but while I was watching this final table (I like to watch final tables of big tournys at night to do read exercises while they play) nutcrusher was playing like a total donk, he was chip leader 3 times or more and constantly kept losing his lead through horrid play.

With that said I can see why ActionJeff played it the way he did. It's folded to him he has AJ and puts in a raise of about 2. 5x bb hopefully to take the blinds. Nut calls him in the sb, but he only calls he doesn't reraise. So I am sure Action probably put him on a marginal semi strong hand. The flop comes and AJ hits TPTK and leads out with a bet, a value bet actually. Again Nut only calls, turn comes another diamond putting two flushes out there and AJ bets stronger to hopefully push nut off of whatever hand he has, but nut reraises all in. Now to Jeff I am sure he thinks nut is using a semi bluff here of some sorts two get him to fold and he calls naturally figuring he's ahead.

But nut had JJ and action lost to a set of JJ while having TPTK, it sucks that the case jack fell to have him busted. But that's poker!

I hope everyone enjoyed this thread, I know I did and will be posting more of these from my own tournies, as well as the ones I watch nightly.

Edit: I didn't save the hand above but I wish I did because now I think AJ had AJ suited of hearts along with TPTK but I can't remember. So that would also make a bit more sense of his play.

[thenonsequitur]

Edit: I didn't save the hand above but I wish I did because now I think AJ had AJ suited of hearts along with TPTK but I can't remember. So that would also make a bit more sense of his play.

He couldn't have, because the Jh was on the board. Also, he couldn't have been suited in diamonds either because that would have given him a flush. Suited in spades maybe?

Also, I think in retrospect, it is pretty clear that ActionJeff had AJ, because that's what his initals spell.

[bode]

*** RIVER *** [6d Jh 3h 5d] [Kd]
SBRounder said, "wow"

For this same reason, I wouldn't be too surprised to see KKK vs JJJ.

given the "wow" at the end when the K hits, i would have put AJ on a set of J's and Nut on overpair KK that hit his set on the river.

after seeing the results, even with AJ's read on villain, this is a marginal play. i cant see calling the c/r all-in with TPTK.

[shysti]

Edit: I didn't save the hand above but I wish I did because now I think AJ had AJ suited of hearts along with TPTK but I can't remember. So that would also make a bit more sense of his play.

He couldn't have, because the Jh was on the board. Also, he couldn't have been suited in diamonds either because that would have given him a flush. Suited in spades maybe?

Also, I think in retrospect, it is pretty clear that ActionJeff had AJ, because that's what his initals spell.

Ah youre right, so it was a figment of my bad memory, sorry.