AQo TPTK + NFD facing turn C/R AI

[dan]

villain in this hand is a bad player, hes really loose, calls a lot of raises from the blinds and OOP in general, he likes to limp and he is aggressive post flop, should i have called this?

Game #2395736033: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2006/09/09 - 21:41:01 (ET)
Table "Tiger" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: ROJEN ($105.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Griddle ($51.69 in chips)
Seat 3: takinstax ($87 in chips)
Seat 4: Back_door ($90.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Marco2710 ($119.84 in chips)
Seat 6: Dory ($100 in chips)
Marco2710: posts small blind $0.50
Dory: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to takinstax [As Qc]
ROJEN: folds
Griddle: calls $1
takinstax: raises to $5
Back_door: folds
Marco2710: calls $4.50
Dory: folds
Griddle: folds
----- FLOP ----- [Qs 2c 8s]
Marco2710: checks
takinstax: bets $8
Marco2710: calls $8
----- TURN ----- [Qs 2c 8s][2s]
Marco2710: checks
takinstax: bets $18
Marco2710: raises to $106.84 and is all-in

[NLHE lahooozaher]

I think you should have checked behind so this situation doesn't come up. I'm not sure if I call this.

[johnny_fish]

Don't bet when you don't know what to do with a raise.

[elipsesjeff]

Don't bet when you don't know what to do with a raise.

Thats pretty shady dude.

I think you should have bet more on the Turn here, but other than that, I think you have to call. Against another made flush you have 11 outs (7 flush cards and 4 cards to a boat), and the only thing I'm worried about here is a set, and I doubt he does this with that. You have a great made hand with a monster redraw, I instacall.

[Fnord]

Trips and flushes are the hands we fear. He's loose, so 2x and weak flushes are well within his range.

This really comes down to just how aggro you think he is post-flop.

[aislephive]

I would instacall given stack sizes and player description.

[Robert]

Betting this turn is ugly without a very good read on opp (that says MEGADONK)

[aislephive]

Betting this turn is ugly without a very good read on opp (that says MEGADONK)

Nah, the bet was fine. I'm betting this turn all day against this type of player and calling a push. Checking the turn has its merits, but you lose a lot of value from guys who will call down with QJ, 99, etc, which describes 100nl players fairly well.

[Irisheyes]

Betting this turn is ugly without a very good read on opp (that says MEGADONK)

Nah, the bet was fine. I'm betting this turn all day against this type of player and calling a push. Checking the turn has its merits, but you lose a lot of value from guys who will call down with QJ, 99, etc, which describes 100nl players fairly well.

I disagree. We can still get value from those hands on the river if we can establish that he probably didn't hit the flush.

[aislephive]

Betting this turn is ugly without a very good read on opp (that says MEGADONK)

Nah, the bet was fine. I'm betting this turn all day against this type of player and calling a push. Checking the turn has its merits, but you lose a lot of value from guys who will call down with QJ, 99, etc, which describes 100nl players fairly well.

I disagree. We can still get value from those hands on the river if we can establish that he probably didn't hit the flush.

I don't like going for pot control in this spot against this type of player. I would aim to get 2 more bets in on the turn and river (as opposed to checking the turn and getting a small bet in on the river or calling a bet). More value is to be made by continuing to bet against a loose player. Against a more solid opponent who probably won't pay off a substantional turn + river bet with a hand like QJ or an underpair yet might be induced to call a bet on the river if you check the turn (where as they may even have folded to a turn bet because of the threat of facing a big bet on the river). Against a loose player top pair is going nowhere (maybe any pair for that matter) and we have a lot of outs against a made flush already if that was the case. A bet might induce a bluff raise too, you never know.