preflop question

[nutsinho]

50NL no reads on players involved

full table
UTG (full stack) minraises
MP calls
MP2 (21.50) makes it 3.50 to go

I am HJ (biggest stack) with JJ
raise/call/fold?

[TerryToma]

hmm he really likes his hand.. even though the 10x or 15x rule isnt giving you proper odds, i think i still call and set hunt... you will get his stack if you spike a j.

folding isnt bad here either..

[martindcx1e]

fold

[NLHE lahooozaher]

I call and set hunt. UTG is probably just calling and MP may call and that is where your implied odds will come from. Folding isn't bad either because sometimes UTG will repop it but I still lean to a call.

[Dr_Giggles]

Easy call.

Even if both players accidentally showed you their hole cards and they had AA and KK....the implied odds of spiking a jack for 3.50 to win 50-100 speaks for itself.

[nutsinho]

Easy call.

Even if both players accidentally showed you their hole cards and they had AA and KK....the implied odds of spiking a jack for 3.50 to win 50-100 speaks for itself.

lol why would the utg minraiser have AA or KK

[martindcx1e]

i just don't ever like calling cuz i'm hoping someone else will call.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

i just don't ever like calling cuz i'm hoping someone else will call.

I doubt utg folds after anybody calls and even if he does the chances of UTG and MP folding is bad.

[Dr_Giggles]

Easy call.

Even if both players accidentally showed you their hole cards and they had AA and KK....the implied odds of spiking a jack for 3.50 to win 50-100 speaks for itself.

lol why would the utg minraiser have AA or KK

lol...someone just had to poke fun at something.

I wrote that as the worst case scenerio, i'm sure you saw that.

[martindcx1e]

the chances of UTG and MP folding is bad.

are they really that bad? also, i don't think hero has much implied odds vs. either one usually unless they enjoy slowplaying high pairs.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

Easy call.

Even if both players accidentally showed you their hole cards and they had AA and KK....the implied odds of spiking a jack for 3.50 to win 50-100 speaks for itself.

lol why would the utg minraiser have AA or KK

Why couldn't he?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($275.21)
Button ($64.47)
Hero ($206)
BB ($72)
UTG ($124.91)
UTG+1 ($157.15)
MP1 ($60.50)
MP2 ($170.20)
MP3 ($143.24)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 3. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 3 folds, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) calls $3, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($24) 2, 8, 3 (6 players)
Hero bets $14, BB folds, UTG raises to $28, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $42, Button folds, Hero raises to $100, UTG calls $92.91 (All-In), CO calls $78.91, Hero calls $20.91.

Turn: ($386.73) Q (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero calls $81.09 (All-In), CO calls $81.09.

River: ($548.91) 2 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $548.91
UTG has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and twos).

[NLHE lahooozaher]

the chances of UTG and MP folding is bad.

are they really that bad?

I assume this when he said this hand was at the $50. People do not fold to reraises. Earlier today I reraised somebody to $9.99 after he raised to $2 and he c/f a K high flop.

I thought about what you edited in but if they have drawing hands or AK/AQ type hands they are going to the felt in reraised pots at the $50.

[martindcx1e]

the chances of UTG and MP folding is bad.

are they really that bad?

I assume this when he said this hand was at the $50. People do not fold to reraises. I reraised somebody to $9.99 after he raised to $2 and he c/f a K high flop.

I thought about what you edited in but if they have drawing hands or AK/AQ type hands they are going to the felt in reraised pots at the $50.

you think they auto-felt top pair in a multi-way re-raised pot? i don't think you give the 50NL fish enough credit. then again...maybe i give too much.

[nutsinho]

obviously the utg player could have AA/KK, it just isnt any more likely than him having any other top 30% hand
thats why implied odds do not create an easy decision here

[NLHE lahooozaher]

the chances of UTG and MP folding is bad.

are they really that bad?

I assume this when he said this hand was at the $50. People do not fold to reraises. I reraised somebody to $9.99 after he raised to $2 and he c/f a K high flop.

I thought about what you edited in but if they have drawing hands or AK/AQ type hands they are going to the felt in reraised pots at the $50.

you think they auto-felt top pair in a multi-way re-raised pot? i don't think you give the 50NL fish enough credit. then again...maybe i give too much.

Heh with the folds I post you'd think I give them to much credit. I don't think fish think about it being 1)multiway, 2)reraised pot after they see the flop and their hand/draw. I think they felt TPTK or AQ if an ace flops and if flush draws flop and MP calls with a drawing hand he'll pay big for his draw cuz he could win a big pot. With no reads at the $50 I take a flop and go from there. It may change with reads they can fold.

[Miffed22001]

if you think the miniraisor is that dumb type who calls a reraise after he miniraises preflop because ZOMG he might bust aces then sure, call. Hes probablly dead money anyway making a miniraise and a three way flop with a suspected big apir and fish looking for a set is pretty fun.