overpair trouble

[johnny_fish]

Alternative lines?

Villain is 26/14 over a small sample and didn't 3-bet me before.

******* Hand 1 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $207.95
UTG+1: $204.95
CO: $261.78
Button: $210.35
SB: $1028.70
BB: $196.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $7, UTG+1 raises to $25, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: Q J 4 ($53, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $40, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 ($133, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $80, Hero raises all-in $142.95, UTG+1 calls all-in $59.95.
Uncalled bets: $3 returned to Hero.

River: 9 ($412.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $412.9)


Results:
Final pot: $412.9
UTG+1 shows Qh Qc
Hero shows Ks Kd

36/4/0.8 over 50 hands.

******* Hand 2 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $196
Button: $210.35
CO: $194
Button: $56.70
SB: $231.50
BB: $90.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $7, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: T J 5 ($29, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, CO raises to $36, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 7 ($101, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $78, Hero raises all-in $153, CO calls all-in $73.
Uncalled bets: $2 returned to Hero.

River: 7 ($403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $403)


Results:
Final pot: $403
CO shows Tc Th
Hero shows As Ad



26/20/4, decent sample.

******* Hand 3 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $472.32
UTG+1: $158.32
CO: $234.92
Button: $109.26
Hero: $198.76
BB: $227.24

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A A
2 folds, CO raises to $9, Button folds, Hero raises to $28, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: K 9 T ($84, 3 players)
Hero bets $50, BB folds, CO raises to $110, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $60 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $184

[Miffed22001]

1. You beat nothing he would typically reraise with apart from AK and maybe TT if hes aggro. I can understand calling flop a little, but when opp 2nd barells turn im folding. I also 3-bet a lot here preflop.

2. I lead the turn and fold to a raise. There are times i wont bet this and go for a check raise because its multiway, letting everyone else define their hand to me while also being able to c/r to isolate if needed.
I dont think c/c the flop and leading the turn is horrible either as its a scary line to opponent unless he has a monster.

3. Not sure. I think its probable Ak will call the flop bet and judge how you play the turn as QQ probably c/f's while KK and AA fire again along with AK. Opp could also be playing AK badly.

[Toadstool]

Hand one and two, I think a flop fold would be the best play, hand 3 is difficult.

Hand one, the usual players re-raising range is JJ-AA,AK. your beating only AK, and opponant continues to show strength on the flop which implies he doesnt have AK. Ditch it on the flop.

Hand two, the Minraise into more than two people is almost always a huge hand, you show strength preflop and postflop, he knows you probably have an overpair - yet continues to raise knowing your probably not going away. If Villain had raised 3x instead of minraising then I would be more inclined to think my hand was good. dont put the extra $18 in and just fold the flop.

Hand 3 is very difficult, he raises but just over the minumum, on a draw heavy board to boot, two pair is unlikely - I think JQ/Flush draw/AK make up at least 80% of his range, if you like high variance push, if not, fold. I dont think either decision is much better than the other in this situation.

[bdawg56kg]

I think 1 is fine. Hand 2, you might be able to find a fold on the turn if he is that passive. Hand 3, push flop.

[Ravageur]

Hand 1 : You don't beat much here unless villain is a donk. Most unknown's reraising range equates to AA, KK, QQ, maybe JJ and AK. You only beat one of those hands.... That said it's pretty -EV folding overpairs at these stakes, but i think this is a spot where you can at least seriously consider folding the turn.

Hand 2 : Hmm...standard I think. I'd worry about 89 or 55 but I don't think i'm folding this either.

Hand 3 : Dude, don't fold here ever considering money invested unless you have a strong read that villain is tight post-flop.

[r8ed]

Hand 1 : You don't beat much here unless villain is a donk. Most unknown's reraising range equates to AA, KK, QQ, maybe JJ and AK. You only beat one of those hands.... That said it's pretty -EV folding overpairs at these stakes, but i think this is a spot where you can at least seriously consider folding the turn.

Hand 2 : Hmm...standard I think. I'd worry about 89 or 55 but I don't think i'm folding this either.

Hand 3 : Dude, don't fold here ever considering money invested unless you have a strong read that villain is tight post-flop.

I agree with this except for:
"That said it's pretty -EV folding overpairs at these stakes,"
At 100NL maybe this is true but not on this board. At 200NL, I think this is where you need to learn how to fold overpairs or you (or anyone) will be at 200NL for a while.

[johnny_fish]

My thoughts..

1; I think this is fine if I saw Villain 3-bet with AQ and/or saw him bluffing a lot. I didn't so turn is a c/f (although 6 outs makes it closer).

2; This should have been an easy turn c/f. I get minraised in a 4-way pot by a passive donkey and still manage to get stacked with one pair. wtf.

3; His small raise didn't seem like a draw, but AK/KQ(?) is too likely to fold. Should've pushed..