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  1. #1

    Default Check my line with pocket A's

    A couple of things about this hand:
    Pre-flop - I didn't mean to min re-raise, but hit the button by accident.

    Flop - When he raised me on the flop I didn't think he had a flush because I would expect a flat call with a made flush instead of a raise. A str8 is a possibility but not likely due to the pre-flop betting. I hated this flop, but didn't feel like I could just check. I felt like I needed to bet something to see where I stood. Agree? Disagree? Was a half pot sized bet too small here? Too big?

    Turn - Unless he made a set on the flop I can't see how the 8 helps his hand. With that said I am not sure, in hindsight, that I like this push. Your thoughts?

    Overall - As I was playing this hand I figured him for a hand somewhere in the following range: 77+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo. Against that range I was a slight favorite after the flop and a 64% favorite after the turn (according to Pokerstove). Do you think this range is too tight or too loose?

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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button (t1485)
    SB (t1490)
    BB (t2685)
    UTG (t1470)
    UTG+1 (t1130)
    Hero (t1390)
    MP2 (t2640)
    CO (t1210)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A.
    2 folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, Button raises to t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t210, Button calls t60.

    Flop: (t465) 9, T, 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets t210, Button raises to t420, Hero calls t210.

    Turn: (t1305) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets t760 (All-In), Button calls t760.

    River: (t2825) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t2825
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  2. #2
    i defi nitely think ur range of hands is much too loose.
    I put him on AK maybe AQ, and something like TT+.
    his reraise preflop should be indicative of a much tigther range of hands, thus removing hands such as K9s. If this was 6 max ring then K9s may well be in his range, but i dont think that is true here.

    I dont think ur play on the flop was that good at all, not becuase of ur decision between open betting and open checking, but becuase of ur flat call on the flop with so little behind compared to the pot.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    i defi nitely think ur range of hands is much too loose.
    I put him on AK maybe AQ, and something like TT+.
    his reraise preflop should be indicative of a much tigther range of hands, thus removing hands such as K9s. If this was 6 max ring then K9s may well be in his range, but i dont think that is true here.
    You may be right there. How is this range then?

    TT+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+,KJo+,QJo

    With that range I am a slight underdog (50 to 49%) on the flop, but still a 64% favorite on the turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    I dont think ur play on the flop was that good at all, not becuase of ur decision between open betting and open checking, but becuase of ur flat call on the flop with so little behind compared to the pot.
    Can you expand on that? What would you have done then? Pushed, folded?
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  4. #4
    You screwed this hand up with the unitentional preflop minraise
    I think the most likely hand range for villian is 99-JJ with AdK also a possibility.

    Once he reraised you on the flop it is push or fold, calling will not do u any good, I actually think I fold here


  5. #5
    I guess this hand wasn't as interesting as I thought it was (either that or I played it so badly that no one wants to comment on it).
    Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
  6. #6
    Don't you hate misclicking? I agree with TLR, that mistake cost you the hand I think.

    On the flop, I would lead too but I can see the argument for checking on that flop. After the minraise, I agree with vqc and TLR, you can't flat call, you have to either push or fold. Without the A I think I let this go.

    Personally I think you're either up against a set, AdKx or JJ-KK with one

    What buyin is this? I might post this on 2+2 to see what they think. This is a very interesting hand.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    What buyin is this? I might post this on 2+2 to see what they think. This is a very interesting hand.
    This is a $16 turbo. As for posting on 2+2, I am not sure they will come up with much more than the two mistakes that were pointed out by both of you.

    If there isn't any more insight I will post the results tomorrow.
    Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
  8. #8
    Fold to the Min raise, you dont have the Ace of diamonds making this the best move. Its better to tight, folding the better hand then being too loose and calling with the worst hand being busted out
    of the tournement.

    =)
    30%


    Still looking for my royal flush.
  9. #9
    taipan wrote:
    Personally I think you're either up against a set, AdKx or JJ-KK with one
    I cant see KK not rerereraising again preflop but leading on the flop, I also think QQ is coming over the top preflop
  10. #10
    Kathy Libert would make a bigger preflop raise with those aces, 60?
    30%


    Still looking for my royal flush.
  11. #11
    The range I would put villain on would be: TT+, AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs.
    On the flop, he raised your bet, therefore, he must have either A of diamonds or his kicker: K, Q, J of diamond.
    I don't think the turn card helped him, his only out was a diamond. The river card probably hit his kicker. I think you are good on the river. What was the result? Did you win the pot?
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by ripjohngotti
    Kathy Libert would make a bigger preflop raise with those aces, 60?
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH
    A couple of things about this hand:
    Pre-flop - I didn't mean to min re-raise, but hit the button by accident.
    Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
  13. #13
    All,
    Thanks for the input. It seems like the two main themes for this hand are:

    1) Don't minre-raise pre-flop with Aces. Although I did it on accident this is worth mentioning as something you shouldn't do.

    2) Boards with a texture like this are good examples of when to slow down, and possibly lay down, pocket A's.

    As it turns out I got lucky here. He was calling with the Ad Jc so he had an OESD plus the nut flush draw and missed them both.
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