JJ

[ripjohngotti]

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Limit Holdem Tournament
Limit: t30/t60
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with J J
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: 7 T 4 (11SB, 3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 raises all-in t690, Hero .


Seat 1: Krusty0 ($790 in chips)
Seat 2: deal_it_up ($1,465 in chips)
Seat 3: fuzzy naval ($1,735 in chips)
Seat 4: highraiser11 ($2,005 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [JD,JS] ($1,390 in chips)
Seat 7: Selkini ($840 in chips)
Seat 8: PastaDental ($1,735 in chips)
Seat 9: Aesop2 ($2,870 in chips)
Seat 10: buckdegonia ($2,170 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
RIPJohnGotti posts blind ($15), Selkini posts blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
PastaDental folds, Aesop2 folds, buckdegonia calls $30, Krusty0 bets $100, deal_it_up folds, fuzzy naval folds, highraiser11 folds, RIPJohnGotti calls $85, Selkini folds, buckdegonia calls $70.

FLOP [board cards 7S,10S,4S ]
RIPJohnGotti bets $230, buckdegonia folds, Krusty0 bets $690 and is all-in, RIPJohnGotti.

Having issues with the HH convert.






You have about 2 to 1 to call if he has QQ KK AA your behind but with outs to suck out if he doesnt hold the spade.

Or he is reraising you with AQ or Ak with the spade in his hand. WWYD?

Is this a clear Check on flop to see what shorties does and opt to fold this?
Given how It was played it was a clear cut call?

How would u play this tricky situation.

[taipan168]

Now here's a post with some content. With an overpair and possible outs to the flush, and considering that you still have 600 chips if you call and lose, I call this in a microsecond.

[ripjohngotti]

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I was looking for "you should have to balls to fold this even given the pot odds"



I put him on hands of AK AQ KK QQ JJ. This is why I didnt reraise OOP with my Jacks. Plus he was SS and didnt want a huge pot with him of course the flop comes out the way it did and held the Jack of spades in my hand. I felt the only sure way to get him to fold AQ or AK with no spade was to bet out.

When the flop came and I had the Jack I bet out where as now that I think about it I could have Check Folded lived another day.


My reasons for this is because Im putting hiim on QQ KK AA a dawg.


AA KK QQ even a bigger Dawg. 18 ways.

AK AQ, with a spade a 50/50 situation.7 ways each. 14 total

AK AQ with no spade. 9 ways each. 18 total (actually makes sense 16 ways to make AK or AQ, if you take out the spade in both of them and add it when they will hold a spade it comes out to 32 when u add both factors up again)

AK AQ with no spade a 3 to 1 dawg given his stack size of 600 into a 550 dollar pot give him 2 to 1 odds to make this play with no king, queen, ace of spade thats even if he doesnt have QQ KK AA where im still a huge dawg!! . Even on a bluff, it would still be good for Shortie to make this play, because the times I do fold JJ with a spade will clearly benefit him when he doesnt hold the spade of AK or AQ, Making Him the clear favorite in this hand no matter which way you play it.


Where with it being this early on and with JJ (marginal pocket pair) I could opt to fold.

He actually Had AK with A S, spiked the king on river. Given how it was played my bet post flop to his reraise still Can be looked at by a call from 2 to 1, but I want to be good enough to fold even with pot odds.

32 hands where im a dawg , against 18 where its 3 to 1 favorite.

Id have to invest 400 into a 1200 dollar pot, Given me 3 to 1 odds. Where Im a dawg 2 out of 3 odds. Where as if I had just checked the flop of of 300, his 300 bet wouldn't be given me enough pot odds to make the call profitable, given that im a dawg 2 outta 3 times.

Given this wouldnt it be best to check the flop and fold?

[swiggidy]

You rip on taipan (no pun intented), then get him excited, then ruin it. Not a good day inside the SnG forum...

It's called pokerstove, it's free...

Board: 7s Ts 4s 
        	equity (%)  	win (%)	tie (%) 
Hand  1:	52.9134 %  	52.29% 	00.62%      { JdJs }
Hand  2:	47.0866 %  	46.46% 	00.62%      { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }

Your range is too tight and you're still ahead, easy call

[ripjohngotti]

Yeah I see im ahead and that im getting two to 1 but ive pegged him on this hand ? You've only invested 100 chips, you can only loose more if you invest. QQ with a spade here would be a bet and a call.

This is why I didnt reraise OOP with JJ.

Can someone agree with this check/fold line with JJ?

[caesar66]

Yeah I see im ahead and that im getting two to 1 but ive pegged him on this hand ? You've only invested 100 chips, you can only loose more if you invest. QQ with a spade here would be a bet and a call.


Can someone agree with this check/fold line with JJ?

No, I call this easy. I don't see how you can peg him to such a narrow range of hands. It wouldn't suprise me at all to see 2 overcards here. A made flush would not shove this, so in all likelihood I would say you are ahead.

[swiggidy]

You go through:
QQ+, AK in original post
JJ+, AK in reply
AKo what he really had
QQ which you peg him with a read that you don't provide (and is wrong)

You're an idiot, I can't believe I wasted my time trying to help you

[ripjohngotti]

Yeah I see im ahead and that im getting two to 1 but ive pegged him on this hand ? You've only invested 100 chips, you can only loose more if you invest. QQ with a spade here would be a bet and a call.


Can someone agree with this check/fold line with JJ?

No, I call this easy. I don't see how you can peg him to such a narrow range of hands. It wouldn't suprise me at all to see 2 overcards here. A made flush would not shove this, so in all likelihood I would say you are ahead.

Things in poker work out wierd sometimes KQS I didnt even add into the mix thats another 7 hands.

its an easy call given the way I played it, But can you see check/folding the flop?

[ripjohngotti]

You go through:
QQ+, AK in original post
JJ+, AK in reply
AKo what he really had
QQ which you peg him with a read that you don't provide (and is wrong)

You're an idiot, I can't believe I wasted my time trying to help you

I said I pegged him on AK AQ or QQ KK AA.

I said if I held QQ it would be a better line to bet flop, because it eliminates a lot of possibilities of his holding.

Then someone mentioned KQ which is just like AK AQ in that situation.


Thanks. So a better line here would be to check with the JJ then decide.

[taipan168]

Can someone agree with this check/fold line with JJ?

No, because it's wrong. I was actually writing a post to explain why but I have better things to do with my day.

[ripjohngotti]

Can someone agree with this check/fold line with JJ?

No, because it's wrong. I was actually writing a post to explain why but I have better things to do with my day.

[fasin8ing]

Not even my threads with low content were getting locked back in the day...

RIPJOHNGOTTI - You have to stop being so " Iam correct, check this out"

I cant believe you have like 900 posts and you still continue to post. Dude you have a huge heart to learn this game but your attitude is whats going to destroy it. Post a few hands with something interesting. At the end when its your turn ( HERO ) put a couple question marks at the end and then let someone tell you what they would do in your situation. You are forever asking for a line check but when people tell you what they would do ... You are like to argue instead.

If someone gives you advice and you think its correct listen to that person. You will find in other forums some people often try to give advice but its wrong. FTR is an awesome place to learn and its rare to get bad advice without someone pointing it out and correcting it and then making fun of them .. You have so many people that are willing to help you but you have to have an open mind and the know it all people often leave this site early on. You really dont have to justify shit why you did what you did ... No one cares what you think ... The hand speaks for itself. I suggest you post a HH .. Title it line check and then dont reply to the entire thread and just read... Hang in there man , but lighten up a little on the shit we have all seen before... I have spent hours upon hours reading threads on how to play AA , AK and so forth... Some of the oldest shit in this forum is the most educational ... Do some research and if you cant find it .. Post it.

GL at the TBLS ...

[fasin8ing]

You go through:
QQ+, AK in original post
JJ+, AK in reply
AKo what he really had
QQ which you peg him with a read that you don't provide (and is wrong)

You're an idiot, I can't believe I wasted my time trying to help you

LOL ... I put him on AK os... Am I right ?

[Da GOAT]

guys on this forum are way to nice to take all this crap of RIpjohn!!!

Sadly ive given up awhile ago......wouldnt give him the time of day.

[swiggidy]

guys on this forum are way to nice to take all this crap of RIpjohn!!!

Sadly ive given up awhile ago......wouldnt give him the time of day.

Ya, I quit opening his posts for over a month. Then I realized how funny they were so I started reading them again, but not replying. Then his recent posts duped me into thinking that he was trying to change.

I give people too much credit...

[Da GOAT]

[quote="swiggidy"] duped me into thinking that he was trying to change.quote]


LOL sorry just made me laugh!!! just sounded like a woman I know. no offense

[swiggidy]

duped me into thinking that he was trying to change.

LOL sorry just made me laugh!!! just sounded like a woman I know. no offense

None taken, I knew exactly what you meant