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[Fnord]

Bad folds are still bad folds.

There have been plenty of times I've called that last bet, certain I was beat and had the pot pushed my way. Similar situations where I stuck it in so I could be the first one in the pot.

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[DBL0SVN]

Interesting post Aok - I think you're right that losing players expect too much too soon.

You forgot to mention that your $100 roll making only 4% growth a day would leave you with over $115 MILLION at the end of a year. Ok, so that's the power of compounding, which you can't really sustain in poker, but even if you only make $4 per day on your starting roll of $100 - at the end of a year of slow consistent growth, you'll have over $1500. Surely most players can average +$4 per day!

[Seasider]

Poker can change people's lives!! Tennis can't do that. Neither can golf.

Yea Woods and Sampras pretty much just ground it out

[Fnord]

Not being willing to showdown a pretty good hand at a pretty good price is one of the most crushing poker mistakes you can make.

Poker is a game of incomplete information. We're all just stubling around like blind men with neither cane nor dog trying to get the best of it. It must be a riot to see full hand histories for the security guys at the major sites. Certainly an eye opener.

The thing about hold'em is that quite often no one has much of anything and how we deal with that is a huge part of who we are as a player. The fish respond with hyper-suspicion and call too much.

Another thought is that we don't need to be deterministic about this. There is a whole class of river problems where the answer is "sometimes you look him up here." Anything else is exploitable because it gives you too narrow of a calling range. Certainly don't fold to half pot because you're "probably" beat.

Sure, lots of people call too much and if you know you're beat, lay it down. But you must balance this with showing down some good ones.

A final thought is that as you move up people bet + fold more and call less. Getting money in with the best of it means that sometimes you need to induce the other guy's bluffing reflex, show it down and be ok with it when they suck out or out-flop you every now and then.

[swiggidy]

1. Much more true at lower stakes for beginning players than higher stakes for experienced players

2. I like pattern recognition

3. I like this point a lot. I thought the $$ would start rolling in. Not true, it's an incremental process.

[jyms]

#3 has been a problem in the past. I've been looking to make buy-ins night in and night out, but the low limits are just to messed up to stay the course some days.

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[Fnord]

Tommy > Ako

http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/folding.htm

[LeFou]

nice link, F. best line "...I was folding enough to support my food and rent habit."

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[zook]

http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/folding.htm

This is awesome.

[KrazyBluffer]

Nice post AOK.

1) Don't let the calling stations know there is a fold button
2) I like the call, call, fold patterns
3) Money is the ROOT of all EVIL!!!!

[jyms]

Fnord, I owe you big time. That was a great site, and article. I took that to heart. Fold, fold, fold. I never lost one big pot looking up some 55/5 fish which usually wipes out a couple hours work. I'm was 4 buy-ins on 20NL playing 4 tables. Between Rentons guide and that article i'm almost at $50NL after fighting since January to get any roll started at all. I love your posts please start posting more tidbits that are buried deep in that 'puter of yours. And thanks Aok, if you hadn't of started this thread this conversaation may never have come up in time.