jump from thirtys to fifties

[The Izebox]

Ive just started playing sngs again after playing ring games for several years. Ive been doing well quad tabling the 30+3s and the 33+3 turbos on FT, with a ROI of about 40% after +100 sngs this month. Ive been thinking about making the jump to the fifties, but ive never played them before and i was wondering how much the skill level improves. I know the thirties is about fifty-fifty donks and regulars, im curious if the 50+5s is a shark fest. Any advice would be appreciated.

[The Izebox]

Nobody here play fifties?

[taipan168]

I don't play $55s, so take my comments for what they are worth. Even though 40% ROI over 100 $33s is a very nice result, it is way too small a sample size to judge your long term ROI.

In any case 40% seems unsustainably high over the long term, even at lower buyins.

That said, if you have the BR for the $55s (say $2500-3000, whatever you feel comfortable with), take a shot and see how you go.

[Ravageur]

I went on a stint of playing the 55+5 turbos on Stars for a while and I noticed that if you avoided the multi-tabling regulars the level of play wasn't that much higher than the 30s. However if you're playing during the day, it's pretty tough to avoid the dozen or so sharks that are like 12-tabling those things.

[FlyingSaucy]

I don't play the 55s, but my .02 is that BR is more important to decide if you should move up rather than anything else, such as whether you have enough games under your belt at a certain level. I moved through the 10's really fast, something like 60 games worth of playing or so, on UB. I never had the data to prove that my ROI was significant because of the small sample size, yet I also never needed to move back down to the 10's since I was playing at the $22's sustainably within my BR for a few months. Then I moved to the 33's, with a couple hundred sngs in the 20's.
My point is I don't think you need to worry about how skillful a certain level is or whether you have proven to have "beaten" a certain level before moving up as much as you need to worry about BR requirements. It sounds like you do have the BR based on that ROI, therefore if you can move up, do it and don't worry about the skill level. I bet the skill edge is probably not that drastically different, although I'll let folks experienced with it elaborate on that finer point.

[nutsinho]

my SNG experience is on party only, and in that experience i found that during peak hours 55s and even 109s are very donkish
however, during the day there is usually a noticeable skill difference between 33s and 55s (i.e. 55 players are generally more tight/solid but not necessarily better postflop)

[donkbee]

I agree with the comments about bankroll. I played mostly $22s for a while and only a couple $33s before deciding (based on what many respected FTR folks suggested) that I should play the $55s because I'm adequately rolled for them.

I've only played a handful of $55s (on Stars), so I can't really say much. From what I can see, they are pretty damn tight in the early stages and then again around the bubble. They are very beatable. Move up for sure if you are rolled.

[drmcboy]

move up if you are rolled and have the urge. IMO, 30-> 50 is a decent jump, most people will not just hop into 50 SNGs, but some wealthier folk will start at 30 so there are a few more fish than in the 50s, where everyone has at least earned a roll, but that doesn't mean they are good.

[Reidak]

Its been thrown around alot already but id just like to echo the fact that if your BR can sustain it, giving it a go isn't a bad idea. As for the level of play im not too sure, im only at $20 right now.

[JeffreyGB]

Honestly, the 50's are the hardest level I've played below the $200's. That's not to say that they're not beatable, but you will find tables where everyone understands most things about the game (i.e. tightness early on, how to play push/fold with big blinds, etc). More often, you'll find a table that's about as donkified as lower levels, but with the added understanding from most players that aggression pays.

I'll make the caveat that most of my experience with them was from about a year ago.

I'll also note that the 109's seem to be weaker than the 55's, once you're rolled for them.

[donkbee]

I'll also note that the 109's seem to be weaker than the 55's, once you're rolled for them.

Really? Interesting ...

[JeffreyGB]

I'll also note that the 109's seem to be weaker than the 55's, once you're rolled for them.

Really? Interesting ...

Yeah. I think that the richest of the rich fish choose them as their play game. Plus you get a lot of super-aggros who bust out early trying to build a monster stack.