3 way .. Villain continuing to min raise my blinds

[fasin8ing]

I have odds to call this.. I dont have the stack though.. 3 out of 5 times Villian has min raised my blind. He isnt showing down anything worth a damn.



Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: t4760
SB: t8020
Hero: t2220

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with 9 T
Button raises to t300, SB calls t225 (pot was t525), Hero calls t150 (pot was t750).

Flop: K Q J (t900, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t450, Button calls t450 (pot was t1350), SB calls t450 (pot was t1800).

Turn: J (t2250, 3 players)
SB bets t150. Hero ? ? ? ? ? ?

Call , min raise, push ? I would love for button to stay in here. I am going all the way with this hand... Whats ur line ?

[Alexos]

I would never call that, its either raise at least 3x the bet or push it right there, and im strongly leaning towards pushing it.

[fasin8ing]

I would never call that, its either raise at least 3x the bet or push it right there, and im strongly leaning towards pushing it.

Who says ?

Ok well I called.. Now what ?

I did post that above and left it at that .. But lets look at some things first.. I dont think that was very polite.. I dont think your giving the hand a lot of thought .. Your not looking at a few things.

I have an M of 9.2 as of my BB post. I will have an M of 8.5 to call and see a flop. I am getting 3.5:1 to see a flop.


Villian has MIN raised my BB on couple occasions.. Last three times actually .. In a row..

Villain is an agressive loose kinda player and will shove into a low pair, med pair board and take his chances.

After seeing this flop, I cant think of anything I am behind except A 10 and I can still tie with cards to come.

Hows my flop , and a turn shove look ? Evaluate the rest of the hand...

And no I am not raising 3 X the BB with 9 10os ... I am not pushing it from the SB , the button ... Or anywhere else. I can play post flop...

If this flop didnt connect, I still have an M of 8.5 and I can easily start pushing from any pos.

[Alexos]

??? Oh, I was just commenting the turn...!!! And there was nothing to add there, why raise the turn? So you dont let a better str8 hit, so that someone doesnt hit a full house, etc..calling is always dangerous there...thats why I said raise all in preferably, or 3x bet.

Preflop with the sb calling, your call is okay too. On the flop I liked your bet too..

[taipan168]

I would never call that, its either raise at least 3x the bet or push it right there, and im strongly leaning towards pushing it.

I think raising preflop is bad since both Button and SB have Hero significantly outstacked. Pushing is also bad IMO because both Button and SB can call Hero's push without putting too much of a dent in their stacks and T9o has very poor showdown value against hands that either player would raise/call a raise with.

Without reads I would normally just fold this one preflop despite the 5:1 pot odds. However, with Hero's read I think calling preflop is OK. On that very dangerous flop, with both opps seeing the flop I bet the flop MUCH harder, I would say 750-900 to go. By betting only 1/2 pot, the first opp doesn't get odds to draw to the flush or straight but the second does. Besides, that flop is VERY likely to have hit at least one opp so don't worry about not getting any action.

As played, on the turn, there's no other move than shove over IMO. The pot is 2400 and you have 1620 behind.

[fasin8ing]

I would never call that, its either raise at least 3x the bet or push it right there, and im strongly leaning towards pushing it.

I think raising preflop is bad since both Button and SB have Hero significantly outstacked. Pushing is also bad IMO because both Button and SB can call Hero's push without putting too much of a dent in their stacks and T9o has very poor showdown value against hands that either player would raise/call a raise with.

Without reads I would normally just fold this one preflop despite the 5:1 pot odds. However, with Hero's read I think calling preflop is OK. On that very dangerous flop, with both opps seeing the flop I bet the flop MUCH harder, I would say 750-900 to go. By betting only 1/2 pot, the first opp doesn't get odds to draw to the flush or straight but the second does. Besides, that flop is VERY likely to have hit at least one opp so don't worry about not getting any action.

As played, on the turn, there's no other move than shove over IMO. The pot is 2400 and you have 1620 behind.

Taipan, I am getting actually 3.5:1 odds. FMP -

So you are saying you want both in the pot or one? This little 150 bet on the turn... You think I could keep this threeway and be alright ? I am tempted to call here... I am going all the way with this hand anyways... If I had taken your line and put down 750-900 on the flop. It leaves me 1450 behind. Why not extract the most they are willing to pay?

[fasin8ing]

??? Oh, I was just commenting the turn...!!! And there was nothing to add there, why raise the turn? So you dont let a better str8 hit, so that someone doesnt hit a full house, etc..calling is always dangerous there...thats why I said raise all in preferably, or 3x bet.

Preflop with the sb calling, your call is okay too. On the flop I liked your bet too..

Ok .. It was sounding as if you were talking preflop.. But I think my logic behind this PF is cool for everyone to see. Nothing against you Alexos.. I understand you now.

[taipan168]

So you are saying you want both in the pot or one? This little 150 bet on the turn... You think I could keep this threeway and be alright ? I am tempted to call here... I am going all the way with this hand anyways... If I had taken your line and put down 750-900 on the flop. It leaves me 1450 behind. Why not extract the most they are willing to pay?

That flop is very dangerous, even for a flopped straight. Sure, at this stage you're ahead with a hand that can stand some action but think of all the hands that could outdraw you that would have raised/called a raise preflop. I want to play this against one opp (hence the pot-sized flop bet) and I'm getting it AI on the turn regardless.

To me it's a balance between taking it down now and taking the risk that they will outdraw you.

[Alexos]

I agree with Taipan, like i said earlier you cant just call the turn bet its super dangerous. There's no reason to get greedy there, the pot is already huge and even if you go all in you might even get a caller, but two is too much to handle for a vulnerable hand like yours.

[johnny_fish]

C/r flop all-in.

As played, push turn.