Taipan is hero, in BB w/ QT lvl 4! reverse implied odds??

[Da GOAT]

What do you make of this situation. who likes a call? or what conditions you looking for?

PokerStars Game #6549992299: Tournament #33268776, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2006/10/07 - 11:04:48 (ET)
Table '33268776 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: hens4th (2030 in chips)
Seat 2: Juice3322 (1895 in chips)
Seat 3: ming282 (865 in chips)
Seat 5: Cleveland135 (1985 in chips)
Seat 6: chouki (625 in chips)
Seat 7: paperep (2605 in chips)
Seat 8: taipan168 (1715 in chips)
Seat 9: Rangin (1780 in chips)
paperep: posts small blind 50
taipan168: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to taipan168 [Qd Tc]
Rangin: folds
hens4th: raises 100 to 200
Juice3322: folds
ming282: calls 200
Cleveland135: folds
chouki: folds
paperep: folds
taipan168: folds

I say:100 to call, maybe I would depending but its still fine

Taipan says; I hate QT, reverse implied odds are really bad with QT. OOP also.

[taipan168]

Reads: Hens4th is about a 30/4 at this point, ming282 is 17/4.

[jimmy44]

Reads: Hens4th is about a 30/4 at this point, ming282 is 17/4.

As I'm a bit new to this, does 30/4 means that Hens4th played 4 hands in 30?

[taipan168]

Reads: Hens4th is about a 30/4 at this point, ming282 is 17/4.

As I'm a bit new to this, does 30/4 means that Hens4th played 4 hands in 30?

Means that Hens4th voluntarily put chips in the pot preflop (ie. limped, raised or called a raise) 30% of hands and that he/she raised 4% of hands.

[Da GOAT]

Reads: Hens4th is about a 30/4 at this point, ming282 is 17/4.

As I'm a bit new to this, does 30/4 means that Hens4th played 4 hands in 30?

Means that Hens4th voluntarily put chips in the pot preflop (ie. limped, raised or called a raise) 30% of hands and that he/she raised 4% of hands.

now im not a user or big believer of these HUD's since sample could be only 15-20 at a turbo at this stage.

[taipan168]

now im not a user or big believer of these HUD's since sample could be only 15-20 at a turbo at this stage.

Yeah, 23 hands in I think it was. Oh well, better than nothing I guess.

[FlyingSaucy]

Reads: Hens4th is about a 30/4 at this point, ming282 is 17/4.

Ouch. Between the choices of call and fold, that's a fold, even with 1:5 pot odds. Raise is not something dicussed yet but is not out of the question if you've been tight lately and if ming is a fish (but I doubt he's a fish with those numbers).

Reasons. 1. oop post flop. 2. Hens4th could have practically anything, hard to put on much of a range. 3. ming282 almost certainly has a stronger preflop hand than you and also has position on you post flop, probably a fairly weak/tight tagg who is looking for chances in position to start to increase aggression at this point of the game.

ming's call is the one I'm worried about most, sitting there with his stack of 865 calling a 200 preflop! Strength. Unless he's a fish in which case you might have a +EV shot with pushing here.

[WhiteFingers]

call try to flop a monster hand/draw

[taipan168]

What am I hoping to flop and what can I realistically go to the felt with here? I would say the chance of flopping two pair or better is like 5% or so, so no way do I have implied odds to call.

The reason I thought that QT had bad implied odds was that given my stack size relative to the postflop pot and the blinds, can I really get away from a Q or T high flop? Hens4th could easily have AQ, KQ, JQ, AT or KT which could stack me if I go berserk with top pair.

[Erudito]

taipan168 wrote:

The reason I thought that QT had bad implied odds was that given my stack size relative to the postflop pot and the blinds, can I really get away from a Q or T high flop? Hens4th could easily have AQ, KQ, JQ, AT or KT which could stack me if I go berserk with top pair.

I agree that the short stack has reverse implied against you. But the pot odds is offering is 5.5:1 to call. The pot odds are juicy to cry for a call. I understand your reason to fold and let it go. The best flop would be if you flopped a straight, boat or two pair. Given the circumstances that flop misses our hand 70% of the time, it is not an incorrect fold. What makes me suspicious on this situation is that the short stack didn't re-raise or push all-in. His calling of the min. raise leaves him pot committed.

[givememyleg]

This is a pretty standard call for me.

[swiggidy]

If they are both giant-tight-ass-pansey's post flop then call and donk bet, or check flop donk bet turn (depending on board).

I generally fold

[johnny_fish]

I fold but call if it's s00ted, I don't have a very good reason for it though. It's hard to quantify the (reverse) implied odds.. It's probably very dependent on how well you can judge if your top pair is good.

[MuddyWicket]

I fold mainly due to the small stack. At the 5$ level they are too happy just to dump the rest of their chips in the middle with or without hitting the flop just becuase their stack will increase so much if they get away with it. And if you hit top pair you might not feel happy calling if the other player is still to act behind you. I sometimes prefer to avoid small stacks in certain situations and I think this is a good example of one.