Q's early OOP and against aggression; an excercise; The TURN

[GatorJH]

DaGoat,
Thanks for bringing me back to earth. I got caught up in the "The donk might actually have something here" syndrome.

You are absolutely correct in that you play a donk hard and fast cuz they will raise and/or call with just about anything.

You also make a good point about this exercise loosing some of it's value because we are up against a donk. I think the idea is good it just needs to be a situation where putting villian on a hand (which is practically impossible with donks) adds value to the exercise.

With that said, I think it is time to put this one to rest. Below is the entire hand. Feel free to comment on how badly I played the flop here (which I agree that I did).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button =(villian)/ (t1785)
SB (t1330)
BB (t1440)
UTG (t1440)
UTG+1 (t1640)
Hero (t1665)
MP2 (t1495)
MP3 (t1260)
CO (t1445)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q.
2 folds, Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, Button =#A500AF(villian)/ raises to t210, 2 folds, Hero calls t120.

Flop: (t465) 8, 6, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, villian bets t270, Hero calls t270.

Turn: (t1005) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t1185 (All-In), villian calls t1185.

River: (t3375) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3375

Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Qd (one pair, queens).
villian has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: villian wins t3375.

[taipan168]

Not that it would have made a difference to the result, but I would have shoved the flop. I think Villain has AA, KK, 88 or 66 much less often than an AT+ flush draw, 99-JJ, and ask Goat said maybe even KQ or other random overcards.

That said, once you flat call the flop thereby seriously diluting your FE I think check/call on the turn is the best way to backpedal but I don't hate the open shove either. Pity you didn't hit one of your 11 outs on the river.

[MuddyWicket]

Darn I would have lost all my chips here.

I take it as given that most would happily push on the flop.

But given the play up to the turn you can now see a board that could give all sort of hands flushes, straights n trips. Ok i dont put him on a straight and find it hard to put him on trips.

You have to say even if you have AA would you be happy to check it down? is there a way to reduce your varience in this hand? After all we are not sure where we are.

Sometimes I go weak/calling station where I dont like the idea of putting a lot of chips in the middle but I am not prepared to let go of the hand either. I want to reduce how many chips i endanger but decide I am calling even if they put me allin as i believe I am ahead but probably not by much. Would have it been appropriate on the turn and river here or is this just wrong full stop?

[Da GOAT]

DaGoat,
Thanks for bringing me back to earth. I got caught up in the "The donk might actually have something here" syndrome.

Thanks

You also make a good point about this exercise loosing some of it's value because we are up against a donk. I think the idea is good it just needs to be a situation where putting villian on a hand (which is practically impossible with donks) adds value to the exercise.

sadly yes!