KQ, Q on flop, opp pushes, call? ($16)

[taipan168]

Opp is a 67/8 over 12 hands. Call this push or fold? Should I have just flat called his flop bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t975)
Hero (t1280)
Button (t1515)
SB (t2265)
BB (t1370)
UTG (t1475)
UTG+1 (t2605)
MP1 (t2015)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero calls t50, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t200) 6, 3, Q (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t150, Hero raises to t450, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to t2555, Hero ????

[TLR]

I would call, I might have pushed the flop.

I doubt he has AQ or a set, AQ usually raises preflop .
I think his most likely holdings are QJ or mid PP 77-JJ

[Da GOAT]

i like to call the flop bet, see what others do then c/r the turn allin.

i think im ahead here, AQ would raise pf.

im unsure about the set though, he would bet a set in this position since he is second last to act and wants money in the pot instead of checks all around the flop.

i still reckon im ahead and only behind the samll sets.

[GatorJH]

im unsure about the set though, he would bet a set in this position since he is second last to act and wants money in the pot instead of checks all around the flop.

It amazes me how many people love to slow play their sets in the $16's.

I would definitely call the push and am 50/50 on whether I would have raised or called the flop bet. I like the call for the chance that SB and BB go along for the ride, but on the other hand I don't really want to play this against 3 opponents who all potentially have something (would either of the blinds call with air? Probably not.). In the heat of the battle I probably would have played this the same as you did.

[FlyingSaucy]

I like TLR's reasoning, although in that spot I still might find it hard to call the push. But knowing villian's 67/8 donkarific status, you probably have him. The 67/8 is only over 12 hands??? Even still I'd say he's probably lagg, overplaying turbos.

[bode]

i call for the same reasons listed above.

[Phantaroth]

I think your beat most the time...

I think he has a big hand and is expecting you to call because youve put in almost half your stack. He knows your strong but he must believe he is stronger.

this is prolly a lower Queen or a draw sometimes, AQ and a set other times. id say like 35 / 65.

[Da GOAT]

i like to call the flop bet, see what others do then c/r the turn allin.

i think im ahead here, AQ would raise pf.

im unsure about the set though, he would bet a set in this position since he is second last to act and wants money in the pot instead of checks all around the flop.

i still reckon im ahead and only behind the samll sets.

I like to call here but if i raised here as played i couldnt call that push. opp has now shown way too much strenght here.

[JeffreyGB]

I call this push most of the time. The only hand I'm worried about is a set, and I think opp does this with a lot more hands than that. I'm not sure if $16 players are capable of doing this with air, but the players I play with are. In general, huge overbets are weakness at least as often as they are strength. He doesn't want to built the pot - he wants to take it down (IMO thinking we don't have a hand capable of calling).

[swiggidy]

Has he been out of line post flop? If the 67 part is reliable you have to have some other indication?

I konw you have a short stack, but I raise this pre-flop with only one limper, especially one that loose.

[taipan168]

Personally I think my big mistake here was raising his flop bet. I should have just flat called rather than letting the pot get out of control. As I played it, I felt I had to call this as with my read that he was LP he could well have had QJ/QT/Qx or even A6/A3.

Preflop is debatable whether a call or fold is better IMO, although I'm learning an expensive lesson that folding may well be the better line.

[Da GOAT]

I'm not sure if $16 players are capable of doing this with air

they wouldnt really only about 5% or less would do it.

he has something for certain. there are plenty of donks at this level, just that they seem to make to till lvl 3-4 and there are still 7-8players left.

[JeffreyGB]

I think a call or a raise are both fine preflop. A fold isn't horrible, but you're in position against a player who's playing nearly every hand he gets. It might be better to raise for isolation, but I think a fold against a player this loose is a bit too nitty. You might make a case for wanting some kind of read on his postflop play, but beyond that, I think anything you do is okay.

FWIW, what did he have here?

[Da GOAT]

I think a call or a raise are both fine preflop. A fold isn't horrible, but you're in position against a player who's playing nearly every hand he gets. It might be better to raise for isolation, but I think a fold against a player this loose is a bit too nitty. You might make a case for wanting some kind of read on his postflop play, but beyond that, I think anything you do is okay.

FWIW, what did he have here?

fair enough answer!

i reviewed his HH and saw it but he had posted before.

Opp had 66 for the set

[givememyleg]

You're ahead enough here to call. Plus once you raise you put in almost 1/2 your stack..

[johnny_fish]

I'd raise preflop but a limp is fine too. Folding is horrible imo.

Call the flop and c/r the turn ai if you're HU then. Worrying about sets with 25bb vs. a donk is way too weak.