Should I slowplay set on 2 suited flop with 1-2 opps?

[pokernewb]

Say I have a pocket pair of aces and hit a set on the flop, but the flop is either 2 suited or very coordinated. How do I play this with one or two opp's? Do I slowplay it or just do a standard bet? I always do a standard size bet and usually win the pot right there, but I feel like I should be slowplaying it.

[topsoyale]

You should only be slowplaying when your hand is so strong that a free card can improve someones hand and you'll still be ahead.
In other words you need a monster to do it with.

You are correct to raise here, and anyone with a decent hand, say an ak or aq will probably call you down.

If no one calls, no one had a hand that was going to pay you off however you played it. But you certainly have to bet to price out the draws.

[Warpe]

Don't slowplay sets on draw heavy boards. That doesn't mean you can't check-raise the flop though...

[ShowMeAtlas]

I like to bet since the average joe just will not believe that you are betting into him with top set. This is the very thing that wins me most of my chips.

[johnny_fish]

I might slowplay this sometimes depending on stacks.

[pokernewb]

Thanks for the advice. Say I do a standard bet on the flop and get called by one opp and the flush comes, do I bet or check here, and if bet then how much? I know this probably depends on the board and players, but is there any general advice you can give me here? Say against a loose opp or a tight opp.

[bode]

its tougher with a set of aces than a low set. Given the fact that your hand has 3 of the 4 aces in the deck, the majority of the time everyone else in the pot is scared of the A. leading out here generally does take down the pot right there unless someone hits atleast 2 pair. i dont mind slowplaying it occasionally, but as a genereal rule, you need to lead out with sets on coordinated boards.

[GatorJH]

Thanks for the advice. Say I do a standard bet on the flop and get called by one opp and the possibility of a flush comes, do I bet or check here, and if bet then how much? I know this probably depends on the board and players, but is there any general advice you can give me here? Say against a loose opp or a tight opp.

FYP

The nuts aren't always just around the corner.

It's hard at this point to give advice because your situation is purely theoretical versus based on a specific situation, however keep the above sentence in mind. You are, in many cases, still ahead here (especially if you have the A of the suite that has the flush draw in it).

[taipan168]

I like to bet since the average joe just will not believe that you are betting into him with top set. This is the very thing that wins me most of my chips.

^^^^^ What he said. Leading will deny the odds for the flush to chase and disguise your hand at the same time. I'm even more inclined to lead if there are two opps rather than one.

Sure, sometimes they fold when you bet but in that case there's a good chance that you wouldn't have won any more chips on this hand however you played it AND you might save yourself a lot of chips by not giving a free card to beat you.

[fasin8ing]

Thanks for the advice. Say I do a standard bet on the flop and get called by one opp and the flush comes, do I bet or check here, and if bet then how much? I know this probably depends on the board and players, but is there any general advice you can give me here? Say against a loose opp or a tight opp.

Alright dude... First of all .. Do not always assume someone has a flush. Secondly, stop thinking about those terrible suck outs that happened in the past.. Thirdy ... If you have a four flush draw going on to the nuts bet if your OOP , call some donk bet when you check it to villain and he bets.... and lastly........... See the river card... But not for your stack ... Keep some pot control to draw to the nuts if you think your need help.. Give yourself the proper odds to do so ... Figure out 2 more bets extra to call for implied odds... And so forth..

Flushes dont beat everything...

Gl .. Nice pep talk ?

[FlyingSaucy]

slowplaying is for donks. in general. you want to build big pots when you've got big hands, and dont give fish proper drawing odds. It's that simple. flopping quad aces is a hard hand to build a pot with, but not flopping mid-range trips. Take advantage of every opportunity.

88, you raise preflop from LP against a couple fishy EP/MP limpers.

flop is Q8J, with Q8 of the same suit. Say the action is EP check, MP bets 1/2 pot. now, the best way to play this is to reraise 3x the MP bet. They'll call. keep betting the turn unless a T or K of the same suit comes up. But say the turn is 4, not of the suit. Bet about the same as the flop and watch the pot build. The river is another rag, guess what, you win a nice pot. Or better yet, the river is an A and you win a bigger pot when the fish turn over Ax or KQ, or some such junk.

[pokernewb]

Thanks for all the help. If I bet on the turn though, what percentage of the pot should I bet? Seeing as how the pot will be a lot bigger if I bet the flop and got called or especially if I reraised like flying saucy mentioned. Would 1/3 pot be a good size in both instances?

[Warpe]

1/3 pot looks weak and gives draws odds to chase. 1/2-2/3 pot is better (I prefer 2/3-3/4, full pot if it's small)

[FlyingSaucy]

Ideally you can raise the flop, the fish will call, and then the fish will check/call your 3/4 pot bets all the way down.
So yea, your turn bet and river bet will need to get bigger in size (but not in terms of % of pot), unless scare cards (obvious flush/straights) hit you can check behind.

[pokernewb]

Saucy, why not bet in terms of pot size, shouldn't I be betting to give certain pot odds instead of just betting a higher amount than my previous bet? Also do I adjust my turn betting when comparing my stack to the pot on the turn? Like would I bet less if my stack is only double the turn pot size, or would I bet more if I had huge stack?

Warpe, are you saying to bet more (2/3-3/4) if say it's early on in the tourney and the pots are small, but bet less (1/2) later in the tourney when the pots are bigger?

[FlyingSaucy]

Saucy, why not bet in terms of pot size, shouldn't I be betting to give certain pot odds instead of just betting a higher amount than my previous bet? Also do I adjust my turn betting when comparing my stack to the pot on the turn? Like would I bet less if my stack is only double the turn pot size, or would I bet more if I had huge stack?

that's what I meant... your 3/4 pot bets, if called, will get bigger and bigger at each street.

If you have a really deep stack, you're betting for chip value. When you start to get shallow stacked, usually you're only playing preflop and flop. Because by the time the turn comes, you'll only have 1/10 of your stack that oyu started the hand with. So late game, decide on the flop if you're putting the rest of your stack in there.

[TLR]

Assuming it is pretty deep stacks I bet about 1/2 pot vs one opponent, about 2/3 pots vs two opponents, but this can vary based on position.
Occesonaly if I am last to act and it is checked to me I will just push the flop, since people consider an overbet a steal attempt (which is oftentimes correct) and nobody showed any interest in the hand so far so my chances of extracting money with value bets are not great

[pokernewb]

Thanks TLR. Saucy, I just reread your earlier post and it makes sense now. I misinterpreted it before and I thought you were saying I should just bet more on the turn than the flop but not worry about what percentage of the pot it is. I now realize you were just saying that my 3/4 bets will get bigger due to the increasing pot size, sorry for the misunderstanding!