Totally Confused

[dreday]

I raised with a9 utg, on the bubble. Folds around to BB chipleader. He reraises a small amount. Ive encountered this b4, in another sngs around bubble time and the guy had trash after the hand went to showdown (this is not same guy).

Now i problably should not of let that enter my mind considering its a diff. guy, but the small rerasie looked like he wanted to see if i had a real hand, or he had a big pair.

SHould i have just dumped it, called the rerasie, or pushed all in.
I think i did the worse thing and rerasied a relativley small amount when i look back. He calls the reraise and then leads out with a min bet on the flop, which totally fucking confused me.

My read on the guy wuz that he wuz some what solid, but did reraise some hands around bubble time.


Hand #36204673-87 at SnG-0015e (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Started at 24/Oct/06 21:40:02

dreday227 is at seat 0 with 2680.
kc21 is at seat 3 with 4880.
73SUITED is at seat 6 with 3325.
EPie is at seat 9 with 4115.
The button is at seat 3.

73SUITED posts the small blind of 75.
EPie posts the big blind of 150.

dreday227: 9s Ad
kc21: -- --
73SUITED: -- --
EPie: -- --

Pre-flop:

dreday227 raises to 425. kc21 folds. 73SUITED
folds. EPie re-raises to 700. dreday227 re-raises
to 1150. EPie calls.

Flop (board: 5d 2s Th):

EPie bets 150. dreday227 folds. EPie is returned
150 (uncalled).



Hand #36204673-87 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
EPie wins 2375.
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[melinda27]

what were you trying to do in the hand? what was your plan when you decided to play the hand? why are you giving up a 2500 chip pot for 150 chips? Answer those types of questions before you get involved in a pot and it will be less confusing. I wouldnt have reraised or called his reraise preflop. You said he's solid and you dont have enough chips to go to war with AX. You did go to war with it though, so go to war with it and come all the way over the top preflop...you might be dominated true, but if you were planning on folding the 2/3s of the time you miss the flop after putting half your stack in you are going to be dominated the rest of the way out anyway

[taipan168]

I agree with Melinda, putting 1150 of your chips in the pot preflop (almost 1/2 your stack!) then folding a 2375 chip pot to a 150 chip donkminbet on the flop is terrible.

If your read on BB is that he is somewhat solid, I would say that A9 is well behind his re-raising range, just let it go. If you think he is re-raising with air (and I'm not suggesting he is!), then just push over preflop.

[TLR]

I agree with Melinda, putting 1150 of your chips in the pot preflop (almost 1/2 your stack!) then folding a 2375 chip pot to a 150 chip donkminbet on the flop is terrible.

If your read on BB is that he is somewhat solid, I would say that A9 is well behind his re-raising range, just let it go. If you think he is re-raising with air (and I'm not suggesting he is!), then just push over preflop.

Preflop there is 1200 in the pot and you need to call 275 - I am not folding this preflop. It is either pushing or calling and folding if I miss the flop

[dreday]

what were you trying to do in the hand? what was your plan when you decided to play the hand? why are you giving up a 2500 chip pot for 150 chips? Answer those types of questions before you get involved in a pot and it will be less confusing. I wouldnt have reraised or called his reraise preflop. You said he's solid and you dont have enough chips to go to war with AX. You did go to war with it though, so go to war with it and come all the way over the top preflop...you might be dominated true, but if you were planning on folding the 2/3s of the time you miss the flop after putting half your stack in you are going to be dominated the rest of the way out anyway

My original plan wuz just to take down the blinds and fold to a rerasie or push, then after his small reraise i got myself caught up in stupid pissing contest with the guy. Now that i have had time to reflect on it i see that. And as played after the flop i just should of pushed. I would of taken the loss a lot easier being dominated (if that wuz the case) or maby even have the villan fold. I was just so dumbfounded by the bet on the flop, i froze and at the time didn't know what to do.

thanks for the feed back

[taipan168]

Preflop there is 1200 in the pot and you need to call 275 - I am not folding this preflop. It is either pushing or calling and folding if I miss the flop

...or raising preflop with your A9s from the SB, calling a push from the BB who has you almost covered, BB flips K8s and hits a K on the flop, 8 on the turn and K on the river, gg.

(just joking)

[TLR]

Preflop there is 1200 in the pot and you need to call 275 - I am not folding this preflop. It is either pushing or calling and folding if I miss the flop

...or raising preflop with your A9s from the SB, calling a push from the BB who has you almost covered, BB flips K8s and hits a K on the flop, 8 on the turn and K on the river, gg.

(just joking)

poker is cruel...

[Pants_101]

Some good advice I've been given is when you don't know what to do look at the pot odds! Often they are pointing in a very clear direction and can at least prevent some of the more horrible plays

[dreday]

Some good advice I've been given is when you don't know what to do look at the pot odds! Often they are pointing in a very clear direction and can at least prevent some of the more horrible plays

Agreed. Its just the opponent's betting pattern on this partcular play just screamed Aces to me. The opponent never displayed this type of betting previously and it seemed to me like a trap and rather to put my chips in a dominating situation on the bubble I chose to fold and save whatever chips I had left.

[Isop]

What I don't understand is why you moved away from your original plan to steal.

You make a nice raise UTG with A9, no problems there. You had planned on folding to a re-raise, which happens. Here's where I get confused - not only did you not fold, but you re-minraised. Not only does this commit more chips to a pot where you're more than likely behind, but it isn't enough of a raise to push anyone off a pot.

Postflop, I agree that the 150 bet is donktastic but I cannot fault you for laying it down. No point in throwing more money into a pot where you're almost certainly beaten, even if the odds say to play. You might be getting the correct odds to draw to your 9's (I can't imagine your ace is good, but it might be if opp has a pair other than aces.)

The small bet on the flop could mean anything - an overpair hoping to keep you in the hand cheaply. A mid pp or AJ+ testing the waters. I don't think it really matters what it means.

I either fold this when re-raised preflop, or just call and fold on the flop hoping to see a two nines come on the flop. Almost every time I fold.

Isop

[dreday]

What I don't understand is why you moved away from your original plan to steal.

You make a nice raise UTG with A9, no problems there. You had planned on folding to a re-raise, which happens. Here's where I get confused - not only did you not fold, but you re-minraised. Not only does this commit more chips to a pot where you're more than likely behind, but it isn't enough of a raise to push anyone off a pot.

Postflop, I agree that the 150 bet is donktastic but I cannot fault you for laying it down. No point in throwing more money into a pot where you're almost certainly beaten, even if the odds say to play. You might be getting the correct odds to draw to your 9's (I can't imagine your ace is good, but it might be if opp has a pair other than aces.)

The small bet on the flop could mean anything - an overpair hoping to keep you in the hand cheaply. A mid pp or AJ+ testing the waters. I don't think it really matters what it means.

I either fold this when re-raised preflop, or just call and fold on the flop hoping to see a two nines come on the flop. Almost every time I fold.
Isop

Yeah, I just as guily of being donk by mini re-rasing, just dug a deeper hole. If I could play the hand from the beginning i call the preflop rerasie, hope for a mircale flop, or fold otherwise.