TT, A on flop

[TLR]

Full Tilt Poker Game #1146587176: $33 + $3 Sit & Go (Turbo) (7831849), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:49:05 ET - 2006/10/25
kidjacob: just kiddin
parwize007: i am there now
Seat 1: GoldSeraph (1,395)
Seat 2: AKRADER (955)
Seat 3: Forty2u (1,740)
Seat 4: kidjacob (2,565)
Seat 5: Jackkingoff124 (1,585)
Seat 7: LD-21 (2,205)
Seat 8: YogaFlame (1,345)
Seat 9: parwize007 (1,710)
parwize007 posts the small blind of 30
GoldSeraph posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Forty2u [Ts Td]
AKRADER folds
Forty2u raises to 180
kidjacob folds
Jackkingoff124 folds
LD-21 folds
YogaFlame folds
parwize007 folds
GoldSeraph calls 120
*** FLOP *** [2c Ah 3d]
kidjacob: later because when i knock you out you might think better
GoldSeraph checks
Forty2u bets 240
parwize007: blahblah
GoldSeraph has 15 seconds left to act
GoldSeraph calls 240
*** TURN *** [2c Ah 3d] [As]
GoldSeraph checks
parwize007: just like another punk that plays here
Forty2u checks
*** RIVER *** [2c Ah 3d As] [Kc]
kidjacob: do i know you
GoldSeraph bets 360
parwize007: you will
parwize007: promise
Forty2u: ?

[taipan168]

Preflop: This early I just limp this and see if I can hit a set on the flop rather than raising from EP.

Postflop: I would have checked behind, and fired again if opp checked the turn (since that reduces the likelihood that he has an A). I play JJ-KK like this too in this spot.

As played, on the river you need to call 360 to see a 1230 pot, you are getting 3.4 to 1 on the call, I call this. You only need to be right less than 25% of the time to make this a profitable call and if you're wrong you still have 960 chips which is not yet desperate at these blind levels.

[TLR]

Preflop: I sometimes limp it, but I usually raise TT and try to take it postflop.

Postflop: I thought is was worth a shut at taking the pot down repping the A.

I folded the river, it seemed too much as a made hand and a bet begging a call

[Da GOAT]

i start raising it up withTT at these blind levels, 25/50 on PS.

i check down flop, bet turn

if he calls my turn bet he will prob check river too so ill check behind.

[TLR]

You assume villian will check the turn if I check the flop.

[Da GOAT]

You assume villian will check the turn if I check the flop.

i do, if he bets out on turn i cant call. since he can bet out on river which costs even more.

[FlyingSaucy]

i start raising it up withTT at these blind levels, 25/50 on PS.

i check down flop, bet turn

if he calls my turn bet he will prob check river too so ill check behind.

I like this line. I think you need to keep checking as much as possible, unless he checks to you all the way to the river.

[TLR]

i start raising it up withTT at these blind levels, 25/50 on PS.

i check down flop, bet turn

if he calls my turn bet he will prob check river too so ill check behind.

I like this line. I think you need to keep checking as much as possible, unless he checks to you all the way to the river.

I dont really like this line. he can easiliy interpert your flop check as weakness and bet the turn at you with air. I tend to interpert his check on the flop as weakness rather then strength unless I have reason to believe otherwise (which I did with his call)

[Da GOAT]

i start raising it up withTT at these blind levels, 25/50 on PS.

i check down flop, bet turn

if he calls my turn bet he will prob check river too so ill check behind.

I like this line. I think you need to keep checking as much as possible, unless he checks to you all the way to the river.

I dont really like this line. he can easiliy interpert your flop check as weakness and bet the turn at you with air. I tend to interpert his check on the flop as weakness rather then strength unless I have reason to believe otherwise (which I did with his call)

i dont usually think his flop check is weak. now it could be given the flop texture is poor unless he has an ace but i find any Ax could call pf, check/call all the way to the river.

if he bets out on turn )after we check flop) i think its too touch and go. to call sucks since he still has initative and a raise by us will cost too much.

as played its fine actually given flop texture but im folding the river.

[taipan168]

Actually I misread the HH, since you have position postflop I don't mind taking a stab on the flop particularly since you raised preflop. On the river I am still tempted to call given the pot odds and the fact that you still will have lots of chips behind if you lose.

[johnny_fish]

I don't like betting the flop. Just check it through and maybe call a small bet once (yey position). As played I think the river is a close fold. Villain check-called a dry Axx flop 3-handed.

[Isop]

Wasn't there a thread a few months ago which showed betting into an Axx flop when you have KK or QQ is -EV?

As played, I would call the river.

Isop

[JeffreyGB]

Wasn't there a thread a few months ago which showed betting into an Axx flop when you have KK or QQ is -EV?

As played, I would call the river.

Isop

KK and TT are much different in this spot, as there are more trouble cards to come for TT. I personally like the line as played.

[Isop]

I suppose I'm wondering then, what will call the flop bet? Will a second best hand play in this situation, or will opps expect you to have an ace and lay down something less on this flop?

I thought this was a situation where only better hands call, so betting with TT on a flop like this is a -EV move.

Or is this a matter of playing your position, and his check on the flop showed weakness so it's advisable to rep the ace?

Isop

[JeffreyGB]

I suppose I'm wondering then, what will call the flop bet? Will a second best hand play in this situation, or will opps expect you to have an ace and lay down something less on this flop?

I thought this was a situation where only better hands call, so betting with TT on a flop like this is a -EV move.

Or is this a matter of playing your position, and his check on the flop showed weakness so it's advisable to rep the ace?

Isop

It's probable that only a better hand will call your bet, however, there are a number of better hands that will fold (some Ax hands; JJ-KK). If you check behind, you have no information for the rest of the hand, meaning that you either have to give up completely (if you were playing for set value, raising preflop was wrong) or you have to call every bet he makes, which may well end up more expensive than betting yourself. Checking behind, calling the turn, then folding to the river just seems too weak to me.