Didn't C-Bet

[pokerroomace]

***** Hand History for Game 5401012161 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 30161437) - Sat Oct 28 19:25:10 EDT 2006
Table (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: bentjuh22 (6324)
Seat 2: Hero (4225)
Seat 6: Blomman1 (5383)
Seat 8: BigDutch12 (4068)
bentjuh22 posts small blind (100)
Hero posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8d, Ac ]
Blomman1 calls (200)
BigDutch12 calls (200)
bentjuh22 calls (100)
Hero raises (800) to 1000
Blomman1 folds.
BigDutch12 raises (1600) to 1800
bentjuh22 folds.
Hero calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3c, Qd, Js ]
Hero checks.
BigDutch12 bets (2268)
BigDutch12 is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $6268 with BigDutch12
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6268
Board: [ 3c Qd Js ]

bentjuh22 balance 6124, lost 200 (folded)
Hero balance 2425, lost 1800 (folded)
Blomman1 balance 5183, lost 200 (folded)
BigDutch12 balance 6268, bet 4068, collected 6268, net +2200

I think I played this hand really, really badly. I was a bit scared to play because part of the money I was playing with and I didn't want to throw it away. You can't play out of fear so that was my first mistake.

This is what I think of the hand: For my first bet I actually meant to bet to 1200 rather than to 1000 (I'm not used to the PartyPoker betting - it's different to PokerRoom). I don't think this actually makes much difference though. I probably would have lost 200 more chips had I raised 1000 rather than 800.

Anyway, I'm happy with my play. I'm just trying to steal all the blinds and I have decent enough hand to do that. I didn't expect to get limp-raised on a short handed table with quite big blinds.

When I do get raised PF I think I should probably get out of the hand then. I don't think there is any hand I'm ahead of with my A8o. By calling I'm hoping an Ace flops? But then there is still a high chance I'm behind. So really I need 2 pair or trips to win the hand. I didn't have the odds for that, so I think I should have folded.

I decided to call, because I was getting such great odds - but that was probably a mistake. Anyway, I miss the flop and then I decide to check because the other guy has shown so much strength - even though I know it means giving up the hand. I think I should have just moved allin on the flop. I had the first-in vigourish. I had folding equity. He may have folded an AT or A9 hand or some other kind of hand. I think he most likely would have called - but there was a lot in the pot and I was getting good odds to make the play. It only had to work about 1 in 3 times to profitable. Also, my opponent may be scared of bubbling.

The reason I didn't bet allin on the flop may have been because I was scared to make a play like that with my friends money. That shouldn't have been a factor in the hand. We thought we could back from only 2500 chips but I think we were wrong.

BTW, I didn't have any reads on my opponent.

What do you think?

[dreday]

***** Hand History for Game 5401012161 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 30161437) - Sat Oct 28 19:25:10 EDT 2006
Table (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: bentjuh22 (6324)
Seat 2: Hero (4225)
Seat 6: Blomman1 (5383)
Seat 8: BigDutch12 (4068)
bentjuh22 posts small blind (100)
easybluffer1 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8d, Ac ]
Blomman1 calls (200)
BigDutch12 calls (200)
bentjuh22 calls (100)
easybluffer1 raises (800) to 1000
Blomman1 folds.
BigDutch12 raises (1600) to 1800
bentjuh22 folds.
Hero calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3c, Qd, Js ]
Hero checks.
BigDutch12 bets (2268)
BigDutch12 is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $6268 with BigDutch12
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6268
Board: [ 3c Qd Js ]

bentjuh22 balance 6124, lost 200 (folded)
Hero balance 2425, lost 1800 (folded)
Blomman1 balance 5183, lost 200 (folded)
BigDutch12 balance 6268, bet 4068, collected 6268, net +2200

I think I played this hand really, really badly. I was a bit scared to play because part of the money I was playing with and I didn't want to throw it away. You can't play out of fear so that was my first mistake.

This is what I think of the hand: For my first bet I actually meant to bet to 1200 rather than to 1000 (I'm not used to the PartyPoker betting - it's different to PokerRoom). I don't think this actually makes much difference though. I probably would have lost 200 more chips had I raised 1000 rather than 800.

Anyway, I'm happy with my play. I'm just trying to steal all the blinds and I have decent enough hand to do that. I didn't expect to get limp-raised on a short handed table with quite big blinds.

When I do get raised PF I think I should probably get out of the hand then. I don't think there is any hand I'm ahead of with my A8o. By calling I'm hoping an Ace flops? But then there is still a high chance I'm behind. So really I need 2 pair or trips to win the hand. I didn't have the odds for that, so I think I should have folded.

I decided to call, because I was getting such great odds - but that was probably a mistake. Anyway, I miss the flop and then I decide to check because the other guy has shown so much strength - even though I know it means giving up the hand. I think I should have just moved allin on the flop. I had the first-in vigourish. I had folding equity. He may have folded an AT or A9 hand or some other kind of hand. I think he most likely would have called - but there was a lot in the pot and I was getting good odds to make the play. It only had to work about 1 in 3 times to profitable. Also, my opponent may be scared of bubbling.

The reason I didn't bet allin on the flop may have been because I was scared to make a play like that with my friends money. That shouldn't have been a factor in the hand. We thought we could back from only 2500 chips but I think we were wrong.

BTW, I didn't have any reads on my opponent.

What do you think?

First of all you don't want to be calling rasies with hands like A8, especially with the blinds @100/200 and nearing the bubble. By calling you have no idea where you are, and by missing the flop there is really no way u can make move . Villan could of been making a move preflop but you said you had no reads so he may have well hit the flop.
if you have a read that villan might of been making move out of the BB then rerasie all in. Bottom line, fold preflop.

[taipan168]

First of all you don't want to be calling rasies with hands like A8, especially with the blinds @100/200 and nearing the bubble. By calling you have no idea where you are, and by missing the flop there is really no way u can make move . Villan could of been making a move preflop but you said you had no reads so he may have well hit the flop.
if you have a read that villan might of been making move out of the BB then rerasie all in. Bottom line, fold preflop.

OP was in the BB. Maybe I'm weak/tight, but I would have just checked and seen a flop with 3 players in preflop, playing very carefully if an A or 8 flopped and only playing for my whole stack in a multiway pot with two pair or better. If it was one shorter stack limping in front I would shove this from the BB no problem.

As played, if you wanted to raise, yeah I would have made it 1200 to go but folded to the re-raise. You don't want to tangle with the big stack on the bubble.

[givememyleg]

If you change your name to Hero, make sure you change the name everywhere in the HH.

[dreday]

If you change your name to Hero, make sure you change the name everywhere in the HH.

Now im confused, who made the inital rasie, hero?

[taipan168]

If you change your name to Hero, make sure you change the name everywhere in the HH.

Now im confused, who made the inital rasie, hero?

Easybluffer is hero here. He was in the BB, it was limped around to him and he raised.

[dreday]

If you change your name to Hero, make sure you change the name everywhere in the HH.

Now im confused, who made the inital rasie, hero?

Easybluffer is hero here. He was in the BB, it was limped around to him and he raised.

Oh, in that case dismiss my previous post.

[melinda27]

why did you abandon your initial plan? why did you think you had great odds when you were only getting like 3:1? how did you get so deep without any reads? You tried to steal the blinds, got caught and should have thrown the hand away. Everything after that is a mistake.

[fjuanl]

without reads i dont like trying to steal here. A8 is not a hand I want to create a big pot with out of position.

your getting 3.75/1 odds to call the limp/reraise, but its for basically 1/2 of your chips and you'll be first to act on the flop. there only real flop you like is a8x which obviously doesnt happen much

[Da GOAT]

BTW im drunk, plus i think its sad that im drunk i feel i should post.

i read up until you called pf raise, from then on i lost interest becuase any excuse to call that raise pf is bad. easy fold.

taipan,TLR,courtie, jeff, how about some of us post HH whereby sole point of it is to show maybe 4-5 handed game where shoving/calling is the centre point. most hands posted involved spots early on.

[taipan168]

taipan,TLR,courtie, jeff, how about some of us post HH whereby sole point of it is to show maybe 4-5 handed game where shoving/calling is the centre point. most hands posted involved spots early on.

...because early game play is the most tricky, pushing/calling all-in you can figure out through SNGPT unless you are unsure about calling ranges.