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  1. #1
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    Default Interesting Turn Options...Continue?

    Ok this was a at a live tournament game I played, there were only six of us - sort of a mini-sng with blinds going up relatively fast. Bear with me since there is no hand history, I will try and make this presentable.

    Would like some comments/opinions of what others would do here as well as their line on the river if you were to continue the hand.

    Early in this tournament - everyone still has around the amount of starting chips which is 5,000.



    Villian (Cutoff): 4850
    Hero (Button): 4950

    Blinds: 25/50

    Dealt to Hero:

    Preflop: 2 Folds, Villian Calls 50, Hero Raises to 200, 2 Folds (SB 25/BB 50), Villian Calls 150



    Flop:



    Villian Checks, Hero bets 350, Villian Calls 350



    Turn:



    Villian bets 700, Hero ???


    Ok you can stop laughing now, I can hear you laughing at me and saying to yourself "He raised 8h 6h and now all he has is an open-ended straight draw on a flush board, and now he is considering continuing the hand!" Well let me explain a few things a little further:


    I have played with this group on many occasions and I have their tendencies and regular playing styles down pretty well in my opinion.

    Villian is pretty tight-solid pre-flop as his normal playing style.

    Villian has shown that he has a hand he likes of some strength, in fact it is a pretty strong hand.

    Given Villian's play of this hand along with his prior tendencies and bad acting, I am almost certain of the hand that my opponent is on.

    My read has Villian on a set here, following that he has a set - Villian also does not have a spade in his hand.

    With this information, I have the option of continuing the hand knowing that my open-ended straight is good and also that I can get my opponent to fold to a reasonable-sized bet on the river if the card were to come as a spade that does not pair the board.

    Obviously if the river were a spade then I wouldn't be looking to be paid off hence no implied odds there, also if the river completed my straight then I may not get paid off that much due to the possible flush on the board - perhaps low implied odds.

    If I were to continue the hand then I wouldn't be looking to gain much - it would rather be protecting the equity I have placed in the hand already and getting the extra 700 from Villian's turn bet.

    With this information would you call the 700 on the turn and continue? What would your various lines on the river be?

    Would anyone raise here? I don't think I like the idea of raising at all, but say I min-raised the turn bet - it would create an interesting psychological and mathematical effect in the hand.

    Thoughts/Opinions? - Thanks
  2. #2
    I would just fold this preflop.

    As played, I think your flop c-bet is fine but I think 250-300 is plenty, saves you a few chips if you have to let the hand go. Also keeps the pot a bit smaller in case the card that gives you your straight is a .

    On the turn, you need to call 700 to see a 1875 pot so are getting 2.7 to 1 odds, but the odds of hitting your straight on the river are about 4.5 to 1, I would fold. Re raising instead, if your read is that opp has a set then HE has 10 outs to either fill up or quad up on the river so I doubt he will fold even if you represent that you hit the flush on the turn.
  3. #3
    few points:
    1. Unless villian is very very very predicatable I dont think you can pinpoint him on a specific hand (a set) - would he play TPTK with flush draw differently ? maybe, but maybe not if he knows you are bound to c-bet.
    2. It is still very early in the tournament, you are obviously way behind with little room for imrovement, there is no real reason to get involved in a big pot so early, save your chips for a better position.


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