Any Thoughts?

[Ragnar4]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t1980)
UTG+1 (t1430)
MP1 (t950)
MP2 (t1410)
MP3 (t1720)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1460)
SB (t1600)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 3.
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, MP2 raises to t120, 4 folds, Hero calls t100, MP1 calls t100.

Flop: (t370) Q, 3, T (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t370) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets t250, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to t500, Hero raises to t1380, MP2 calls t790 (All-In).

River: (t3040) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3040

[taipan168]

Preflop: I tend to fold this. Although the fact that MP1 limped (and at low buyins will tend to call MP2's raise) helps, I'm not sure you have implied odds to call the raise. This kind of raise usually screams big pair to me. If you were closing the action I would like the call more. Plus there are really bad reverse implied odds to consider in the (admittedly very rare) situation where the raiser has a big pair and also flops a set.

Flop: With 3 players seeing the flop, I like a weak lead for about 150 here with the hope that somebody raises allowing you to push over. Don't give a free card if either player has something like KJ.

Turn: I'm not laying down a set here, I think this is fine. I would have preferred to have had this action on the flop though.

[donkbee]

I just came to say that people are more likely to read your posts if you include a subject that relates to the content.

[bearcats05]

fold preflop.

i agree with leading out the flop.

sets are fun which i would hit them more, i usualy save my 1 in 7.5's or w/e it is for just me in the bb and the sb who has 72o not hit anything.

[Da GOAT]

easiest fold pf ever.

great thing about sets is leading out. why? coz all donks think correct play is to slowplay, so if you bet out they think ''he doesnt have it coz then he'd slowplay''

[givememyleg]

I must have a leak in my game based on all of the replies because I would call preflop.

[donkbee]

In a one table SnG, I would fold preflop. In a multi (and a MTT), I would think about calling.

I just want to note that just because a lot of the players here would lead out on the flop, it's not necessarily the correct play. A case could be made for check/calling/raising or leading out, and either could be correct.

[Ragnar4]

honestly. I wanted to Check raise the flop..

[taipan168]

I must have a leak in my game based on all of the replies because I would call preflop.

Don't think calling would be terrible here, but I think it is marginal whether you do or don't have implied odds to call. Lee Jones' book says that you have correct implied odds if the amount of chips you need to call off is 7% or less of the chips you can win (BTW does anybody know how this is calculated?). If this is true, MP2's stack is 1410 and Hero needs to call 100 so it is right on the money.

If you assume that MP1 will call the raise (and not re-raise) then you probably do have implied odds to call preflop. As I said above, if I closed the action I would probably call.

[vqc]

I must have a leak in my game based on all of the replies because I would call preflop.

Don't think calling would be terrible here, but I think it is marginal whether you do or don't have implied odds to call. Lee Jones' book says that you have correct implied odds if the amount of chips you need to call off is 7% or less of the chips you can win (BTW does anybody know how this is calculated?). If this is true, MP2's stack is 1410 and Hero needs to call 100 so it is right on the money.

If you assume that MP1 will call the raise (and not re-raise) then you probably do have implied odds to call preflop. As I said above, if I closed the action I would probably call.

the calculation is dependant on the odds of you hitting ur set (8:1 ??) in addition to some factors like set over set and wat not.

[TLR]

Preflop: There are 3 factors that makes folding the correct move here:
1. You are not closing the action, if limper reraises you pretty much have to fold.
2. You are OOP for the rest of the hand
3. You hand is pretty weak, I can see a case for calling with 77 or 88 (although I would fold those too) when you have a shut at a low flop and maybe your pair is good.

Postflop: I know the line here is leading out weak, but I can see a case for checking and letting the agressor bet for you. C-bet is standard move for a lot of players

[taipan168]

Preflop: There are 3 factors that makes folding the correct move here:
1. You are not closing the action, if limper reraises you pretty much have to fold.
2. You are OOP for the rest of the hand
3. You hand is pretty weak, I can see a case for calling with 77 or 88 (although I would fold those too) when you have a shut at a low flop and maybe your pair is good.

To me, 1. is the biggest factor - the risk that the limper will pull the limp/re-raise trick or fold (the first means you have to fold, the second means you don't have implied odds to call).

2. Don't think matters so much because you either hit your set or not so the positional disadvantage is reduced.

3. If you are playing strictly for set value then this matters less too - I guess the only risk is the reverse implied odds of set over set which will almost certainly destack you but happens less than 1% of the time.

[TLR]

Taipan wrote:

To me, 1. is the biggest factor - the risk that the limper will pull the limp/re-raise trick or fold (the first means you have to fold, the second means you don't have implied odds to call).

Agreed

Taipan wrote:

2. Don't think matters so much because you either hit your set or not so the positional disadvantage is reduced.

Although the common practice is set it or dump it, when the pot is heads up or sometimes 3 way and you have position sometimes you can pick the pot based on the fact that the flop missed opponents, even if you get called when you bet oftentimes you will have the best hand vs 2 overs

Taipan wrote:

3. If you are playing strictly for set value then this matters less too - I guess the only risk is the reverse implied odds of set over set which will almost certainly destack you but happens less than 1% of the time.

higher pair gives you more options then set value only, which gives an insentive to call

[taipan168]

Taipan wrote:

2. Don't think matters so much because you either hit your set or not so the positional disadvantage is reduced.

Although the common practice is set it or dump it, when the pot is heads up or sometimes 3 way and you have position sometimes you can pick the pot based on the fact that the flop missed opponents, even if you get called when you bet oftentimes you will have the best hand vs 2 overs

True, like when LAggy players check-raise the flop with a missed A9

Taipan wrote:

3. If you are playing strictly for set value then this matters less too - I guess the only risk is the reverse implied odds of set over set which will almost certainly destack you but happens less than 1% of the time.

higher pair gives you more options then set value only, which gives an insentive to call

True too, except when LAggy players push you off your medium overpair with a missed AQ

[TLR]

Living on the edge...

[donkbee]

Postflop: I know the line here is leading out weak, but I can see a case for checking and letting the agressor bet for you. C-bet is standard move for a lot of players

Leading out weak here isn't really standard per se ... I don't think we can say that anything here is standard. A good player will vary his play in a hand like this, leading out sometimes and checking other times.