Whats ur move itm with JJ?

[MuddyWicket]

$5 - NL - 9 Seats - regular speed
200/400 sb/bb

Seat 3 : Villain has $6,980
Seat 4 : Bystander has $3,500
Seat 7 : Hero has $7,520

hero has Jc Js
SuperVillain called 400 and raised 800
Bystander folded.

hero???

Villain had doubled through and loosened a bit where he had been tight aggressive before. I think my behaviour has become one dimensional in some respects and I would like feedback/ideas about the pro and cons of the options available.

[givememyleg]

All you can eat baby.

[Aiite]

Just call and see what's on the flop..... if A, K, Q... more and likely he have high cards....

[donkbee]

Just call and see what's on the flop..... if A, K, Q... more and likely he have high cards....

No ... you have to reraise this, you can't just call IMO.

[bode]

you cant reraise without comitting half your stack, so you either flat call or push. i lean toward push given read on villain.

[taipan168]

Yeah, this would be an easy push for me. JJ is a monster hand 3-handed.

[Da GOAT]

you see it, you do it.

push AI

[bearcats05]

push. your already itm play for first, thats where the real money is

[MuddyWicket]

Ok thanks guys I pushed, which seemed like the right thing. Got called by KQ, which amazed me that he could call a reraise allin with that.

[taipan168]

That's why pushing is such a great move! You maximise your fold equity and if some idiot wants to call your push with crap, well good!

[TLR]

A push is not a bad move.
Alternative play is to raise back to about 3000, and then push any flop with one over (prefebaly not an A) its a bit of a risky play but allows you to oftentimes pick up more chips

[Aiite]

Just call and see what's on the flop..... if A, K, Q... more and likely he have high cards....

No ... you have to reraise this, you can't just call IMO.

I usually just call in this situation............................. that just me....

[Alexos]

You definitly have to push here. You're the big stack so you have plenty of folding equity + you're very very likely to have the best hand here.

Raising to 2500 or so is not bad either, but what happens if flop comes AKx. I would prefer to avoid the headache.

[Da GOAT]

Just call and see what's on the flop..... if A, K, Q... more and likely he have high cards....

No ... you have to reraise this, you can't just call IMO.

I usually just call in this situation............................. that just me....

if you trying to learn consider this wrong unless your trying to stop n go.

[bruinblue]

thats not even much of a stop n go though because your push would have lots of FE pf.

theres no way you can flat call this... but i think the stacks are too big for a push. id reraise about 3k and push almost any non J flop, although two overs or an A is bad news.

if i flop a set im slowplaying all the way.

[Aiite]

thats not even much of a stop n go though because your push would have lots of FE pf.

theres no way you can flat call this... but i think the stacks are too big for a push. id reraise about 3k and push almost any non J flop, although two overs or an A is bad news.

if i flop a set im slowplaying all the way.

Smart guy..... what if he called you with AK, AQ and flopped a pair... I would just call if hit a set.. slowplayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Aiite]

disregard what I just say...... sorry I"m Drunks............................

[ShowMeAtlas]

This is a no brainer. OP, what was it about this hand that made you post it?

[MuddyWicket]

Well, I posted because I am in a good position with joint top stack and one relatively small stack. I sort of felt that I threw it away with one hand. I spent ages trying to come up with a better way to play it which didnt endanger my stack and struggled.

I was half remembering a post on this site about another way to play AK against middle pair by raising then dumping on the flop giving them a chance to get away if there are over cards. I also wondered that if I had AA in my hands how would I have played it differently. I think raising to 3k is the answer to that. Somehow I feel raising to 3k makes them think whereas pushing actually gives them less to think about.

In some ways I basically am pushing too much whereas I used to rarely dump my chips into the middle thinking that kind of gamble was not right. I have now gone too far the other way. If you read some articles they will advise to push with any ace, king or pair. Instead of auto pushing these which I did for a brief while I have now cut down on this. A5 is no longer auto push, I don't like pushing with this unless there are other overwhelming reasons to do it.

Now I do a mixture of pushing because I feel I have the cards to do it and if i feel the situation is right and then imo the cards actually dont matter.

But my real problem is it feels like it is my only move in the later stages and that it is a too simplistic approach. But with an M less than or around 7 what else should you do? Taking this approach seems to make me the loon on the table. Whereas others limp in or mini raise and seem to accumalate doing so. This is when it is 4/5 handed when the blinds are 10% of the average stack.

If I saw someone else behave this way I would call them a loon and say to myself someone will have a hand soon or I will and then you will be out. Which is partially what is happening.

But on top of that there is the presure of the blinds, so you cant sit still either. There lies my real problem, pushing too much looks desperate and yet I dont really want to be calling or mini raising either.

Damn I have gone on far too long. Its a bit like being on a psychiatrists couch and opening the can of worms.

Any help gratefully recieved.