weird play by $16 turbo'ers

[Da GOAT]

this is about the weirdest hand ive seen played, just stupid by everyone. whole table of donks.

yeah tai your right $16 is a lot looser at the mo.


PokerStars Game #6826886584: Tournament #34779378, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/10/30 - 08:53:44 (ET)
Table '34779378 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Tony Tyson (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: LockAndLeave (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: CelticUabhar (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: Ggod (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: hereselmo1 (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: Gremz (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Lia60 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: Osmanovski (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: zikoff (1610 in chips)
Ggod: posts small blind 10
hereselmo1: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CelticUabhar [6c 4c]
Gremz: raises 120 to 140
Lia60: calls 140
Osmanovski: calls 140
zikoff: calls 140
Tony Tyson: calls 140
LockAndLeave: raises 360 to 500
CelticUabhar: folds
Ggod: folds
hereselmo1: folds
Gremz: calls 360
Lia60: calls 360
Osmanovski: calls 360
zikoff: calls 360
Tony Tyson: calls 360
*** FLOP *** [9h 8s 8d]
Gremz: bets 200
Lia60: folds
Osmanovski: folds
zikoff: calls 200
Tony Tyson: calls 200
LockAndLeave: raises 800 to 1000 and is all-in
Gremz: calls 800 and is all-in
zikoff: raises 110 to 1110 and is all-in
Tony Tyson: folds
*** TURN *** [9h 8s 8d] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [9h 8s 8d 2d] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Gremz: shows [Jh Js] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
zikoff: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
LockAndLeave: shows [Th Kd] (two pair, Nines and Eights)
zikoff collected 6230 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6230 | Rake 0
Board [9h 8s 8d 2d 9s]
Seat 1: Tony Tyson folded on the Flop
Seat 2: LockAndLeave showed [Th Kd] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 3: CelticUabhar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Ggod (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: hereselmo1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Gremz showed [Jh Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 7: Lia60 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Osmanovski folded on the Flop
Seat 9: zikoff showed [Qs Qd] and won (6230) with two pair, Queens and Nines

[taipan168]

Yeah, WTF, horrible play by all. $3.40 players would shame these guys. KTo's awful re-raise that might make you think AA/KK is why I shove over preflop with hands like QQ/AK.

EDIT: OK, since I don't have time to play atm I burned my 5 free Sharkscope searches on these morons. They are all either -ROI or total beginner players with like 10 tourneys played (or both).

[bode]

Yeah, WTF, horrible play by all. $3.40 players would shame these guys. KTo's awful re-raise that might make you think AA/KK is why I shove over preflop with hands like QQ/AK.

EDIT: OK, since I didn't have time to play I burned my 5 free Sharkscope searches on these morons. They are all either -ROI or total beginner players with like 10 tourneys played (or both).

i just started playing the $16 turbos again and they are a goldmine right now. i play sets of 4 tables, and it isnt uncommon to have a tables full of people ive never seen before.

ive also been shoving AK preflop to weak raises and with a table of limpers. i usually dont do this, but ive been getting called by KJ, KT, QJ, AT, etc.

all the party sng fish must have taken a liking to the $16's

[Da GOAT]

Yeah, WTF, horrible play by all. $3.40 players would shame these guys. KTo's awful re-raise that might make you think AA/KK is why I shove over preflop with hands like QQ/AK.

EDIT: OK, since I don't have time to play atm I burned my 5 free Sharkscope searches on these morons. They are all either -ROI or total beginner players with like 10 tourneys played (or both).

muppets, i love them!!! pity i d/c and missed ITM

[GatorJH]

all the party sng fish must have taken a liking to the $16's

I think you are right - I had a buddy of mine come up to me this weekend all excited to say - "Did you know Pokerstars was still allowing US Players!!!!". I am sure that they are getting quite a few fish from other sites.

[Da GOAT]

all the party sng fish must have taken a liking to the $16's

I think you are right - I had a buddy of mine come up to me this weekend all excited to say - "Did you know Pokerstars was still allowing US Players!!!!". I am sure that they are getting quite a few fish from other sites.

great for us!!!!!plus its gonna stay this as oppossed to a temporary situation.

[TLR]

Badly played by all of them
Gremz: preflop his initial raise is not bad, even from EP. Once there was ton of action after him he should have either pushed or folded to the reraise.
His flop bet is too weak to accomplish anything, he should have just checked it on the flop.

Zikoff: He played it horribly and won a nice pot, he should have reraised preflop and pushed the flop.

LockAndLeave: There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, guess which side he is on ?

[GatorJH]

how about this one?

PokerStars Game #6771885193: Tournament #34475155, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/10/25 - 23:33:39 (ET)
Table '34475155 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Sicko17 (2210 in chips)
Seat 2: GatorJH (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: N8 Rizzo (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: Gurufosho (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: Bumflippers (1420 in chips)
Seat 6: DeadMoney78 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: redstorm58 (830 in chips)
Seat 8: CutiePi314 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Maoz2Glory (1500 in chips)
Bumflippers: posts small blind 10
DeadMoney78: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GatorJH [Jh Qh]
redstorm58: calls 20
CutiePi314: folds
Maoz2Glory: folds
Sicko17: folds
GatorJH: calls 20
N8 Rizzo: folds
Gurufosho: calls 20
Bumflippers: raises 100 to 120
DeadMoney78: calls 100
redstorm58: calls 100
GatorJH: folds
Gurufosho: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4d 6h 7s]
Bumflippers: bets 1300 and is all-in
DeadMoney78: folds
redstorm58: calls 710 and is all-in
Gurufosho: calls 1300
*** TURN *** [4d 6h 7s] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [4d 6h 7s Kh] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bumflippers: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
Gurufosho: shows [7d 8d] (a pair of Sevens)
Bumflippers collected 1180 from side pot
redstorm58: shows [4h Ah] (a pair of Fours)
Bumflippers collected 2630 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3810 Main pot 2630. Side pot 1180. | Rake 0
Board [4d 6h 7s Kh 2c]
Seat 1: Sicko17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GatorJH folded before Flop
Seat 3: N8 Rizzo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Gurufosho (button) showed [7d 8d] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: Bumflippers (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and won (3810) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: DeadMoney78 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: redstorm58 showed [4h Ah] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 8: CutiePi314 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Maoz2Glory folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Erudito]

Da Goat wrote:

great for us!!!!!plus its gonna stay this as oppossed to a temporary situation.

But !!! Variance will be very high. Playing SnGo table with a lot of donkeys can be a very difficult challenge. I hate playing against a table full of donkeys. It makes a lottery draw. May the luckiest donkey win. These donkeys play the game like the PLAY Money SnGo. They will call and bet with anything, they will even try to bluff with 7 high. Go figure.

[taipan168]

all the party sng fish must have taken a liking to the $16's

This is my theory that I've been discussing with Goat - that the Party fish have come across to Stars and are playing the $16s. That and I think you get a lot of losing $6.50 players who try to recoup their losses at the $16s (if you sharkscope them you sometimes see them chasing their losses all the way up to the $225 turbos - go BR management!)

[Aiite]

Try 27 or 60 sng tables. don't play the 100+9 is very tricky and most of the player there are Pro.

[GatorJH]

Da Goat wrote:

great for us!!!!!plus its gonna stay this as oppossed to a temporary situation.

But !!! Variance will be very high. Playing SnGo table with a lot of donkeys can be a very difficult challenge. I hate playing against a table full of donkeys. It makes a lottery draw. May the luckiest donkey win. These donkeys play the game like the PLAY Money SnGo. They will call and bet with anything, they will even try to bluff with 7 high. Go figure.

I agree whole heartidly with this. I haven't been able to play a lot lately, but got in a couple of $16 Turbo's last night. It was AMAZING what people were calling raises with. And the bad part is that I didn't get ANY cards and didn't feel comfortable trying steals because these guys were calling down with anything.

[FlyingSaucy]

redstorm58: shows [4h Ah]

LOL

[Da GOAT]

Da Goat wrote:

great for us!!!!!plus its gonna stay this as oppossed to a temporary situation.

But !!! Variance will be very high. Playing SnGo table with a lot of donkeys can be a very difficult challenge. I hate playing against a table full of donkeys. It makes a lottery draw. May the luckiest donkey win. These donkeys play the game like the PLAY Money SnGo. They will call and bet with anything, they will even try to bluff with 7 high. Go figure.

I agree whole heartidly with this. I haven't been able to play a lot lately, but got in a couple of $16 Turbo's last night. It was AMAZING what people were calling raises with. And the bad part is that I didn't get ANY cards and didn't feel comfortable trying steals because these guys were calling down with anything.

true situation but they would be more profitable long term since the quality near matches the really low stakes turbos.

anyone know if $27 turbos have been affected by PP. they might be worth a try if the old $16 are now $27's

[FlyingSaucy]

Da Goat wrote:

great for us!!!!!plus its gonna stay this as oppossed to a temporary situation.

But !!! Variance will be very high. Playing SnGo table with a lot of donkeys can be a very difficult challenge. I hate playing against a table full of donkeys. It makes a lottery draw. May the luckiest donkey win. These donkeys play the game like the PLAY Money SnGo. They will call and bet with anything, they will even try to bluff with 7 high. Go figure.

I disagree with this in general, but especially in turbos. A table full of donks only means that you have a better edge and a bigger implied chunk of the prize pool. Sure it might make it harder to get reads, but that makes the game simpler because all you have to do is play your hand. And especially in turbos, reads become less important - just sit back and let the donks eliminate each other. Later in the game when the blinds are up to 200, all you have to do is make good preflop push/fold decisions - which has less to do with betting and extracting reads than post flop play. Then let the proud big stack donk double you up and then take him heads up. What's the problem here?

[FlyingSaucy]

anyone know if $27 turbos have been affected by PP. they might be worth a try if the old $16 are now $27's

I just played 5 $27's last night on stars.
2nd
1st
2nd
1st
3rd

A little positive variance???

[Da GOAT]

anyone know if $27 turbos have been affected by PP. they might be worth a try if the old $16 are now $27's

I just played 5 $27's last night on stars.
2nd
1st
2nd
1st
3rd

A little positive variance???

didnt know u played that level, id say there isnt much of a difference though i dont play them. im saying you probably dont have to change your game(much if at all,though less fish maybe but prob more fish now than ever) order to play if your at $16's and doing well. i could give them a shot i suppose tho ive just moved to $16's, ah well my decision to make.