AT again, this time in the BB, how's this line ($16)

[taipan168]

Opp is a loose donk, overall HUD stats 50/10. Am I too aggressive with this TPTK? Is checking the turn a better line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t1295)
SB (t1270)
Hero (t1835)
UTG (t3810)
MP1 (t1535)
MP2 (t2360)
CO (t1395)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, T.
UTG calls t100, 2 folds, CO calls t100, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t400) 5, 9, T (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, UTG calls t300, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t1000) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t500, UTG calls t500.

River: (t2000) K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t2910 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t4910

[Da GOAT]

hmm i think pushing the turn could be better.

do u know if UTG limps a tighter or very wide range like SC and such.

[Lokedog]

I'd push the turn too, against someone with 50/10 stats I'd feel confident my hand is best the majority of the time.

[Pants_101]

Why does the opp being loose make it more likely that you are ahead? Is it not much more possible he has hit say 2 pair than if you were playing a tight opp?

[Da GOAT]

Why does the opp being loose make it more likely that you are ahead? Is it not much more possible he has hit say 2 pair than if you were playing a tight opp?

thats my point to tai!!! it makes him more of a danger if he plays crap cards but then he'd also be a donk so id prob still push it. im guessing opp had TP worse K but king may of 2 paired him. donk cud also be chasing.

[FlyingSaucy]

I think the key thing is that you bet 3/4 pot on the flop and only 1/2 pot on the turn, when the turn card is a rag. That indicates fright and weakness. Now on the river, you check and he can manhandle you because of the weakness you've shown. There's no reason to be afraid of the flop call and slow down your betting on the turn.

[Da GOAT]

I think the key thing is that you bet 3/4 pot on the flop and only 1/2 pot on the turn, when the turn card is a rag. That indicates fright and weakness. Now on the river, you check and he can manhandle you because of the weakness you've shown. There's no reason to be afraid of the flop call and slow down your betting on the turn.

dont think so saucy, this gives donk to much credit for paying attention. donk play by limping pf plus constant calling without defining his hand, i beleive tai is ahead till river at least.

[TLR]

Preflop: Being the loose maniac that I am I would probably raise it to about 350. With the set of limpers you probably have the best hand right now, and raiseing allows you to get rid of the total crap, and gives you a better chance to take the hand down after the flop. However I dont think checking is a bad line.

Flop: Nice bet

Turn: I think this is where you screwed up the hand. Unless he has a set you still have the best of it, and i am willing to pay the set off here. However there are ton of scare cards that can come, any K,Q,J,8,9 and maybe even 5 are scare cards for you, and even if you bet 500 as you did, its still half your stack in there.
If you had position on villian and he checked it too you I may have bet 500, and fold to a river push.
But with volenaruble hand OOP I definitly want to end the hand here, and pick up a nice pot.

So I would push it

[taipan168]

Turn: I think this is where you screwed up the hand. Unless he has a set you still have the best of it, and i am willing to pay the set off here. However there are ton of scare cards that can come, any K,Q,J,8,9 and maybe even 5 are scare cards for you, and even if you bet 500 as you did, its still half your stack in there.
If you had position on villian and he checked it too you I may have bet 500, and fold to a river push.
But with volenaruble hand OOP I definitly want to end the hand here, and pick up a nice pot.

So I would push it

I never even thought about pushing the turn, but I do understand the logic. This was my thought process at the time:
- I know that the pot is 1000 but on the turn I have about 1400 behind. If I had about a PSB or less left on the turn I would definitely have shoved.
- If opp is on an OESD my 500 bet gives him bad odds to chase.
- If he pushes over on the turn, indicating that he likely has top pair beat or flat calls my turn bet and a scare card that fills his draw comes on the river I can get away with 900 chips which is short but not totally desperate.
- If opp has T worse kicker he will probably check behind on the river with all those straight cards out there so I get to showdown without needing to put any more chips in on the river.

[TLR]

Taipan wrote:

If opp is on an OESD my 500 bet gives him bad odds to chase.

Not neccessirily, he needs to put in 500 into 1500 pot, so he is getting 1:3 on his money, if he is drawing with QJ for example and puts you correctly on TPTK then he has 14 outs ~28%, so he is getting a little bit better then even money odds. If he has something like 98/87 (unlikely since he limped UTG) he has 13 outs, and thats not factoring in implied odds if he thinks you are pot committed

If he pushes over on the turn, indicating that he likely has top pair beat or flat calls my turn bet and a scare card that fills his draw comes on the river I can get away with 900 chips which is short but not totally desperate.

The problem here is that if a scare card hits and you check you give him a very good opputunity to pick up the pot with a hand that you beat.

If opp has T worse kicker he will probably check behind on the river with all those straight cards out there so I get to showdown without needing to put any more chips in on the river.

True, but he may also figure his JT is good here since you checked the river, and bet for value, or just try to push you off the pot