I'm rusty... can I get away here?

[Fortune 500]

$11 on AP...

Table: 9788970 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DOZBOLS ($1130 in chips)
Seat 2 - MELCAT3 ($1600 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERBOB2006 ($1860 in chips)
Seat 5 - GHOST0000 ($1210 in chips)
Seat 6 - HARRYB007 ($1760 in chips)
Seat 7 - FORTUNE500 ($1370 in chips)
Seat 8 - TRENCHER61 ($1380 in chips)
Seat 9 - MARTYNKAKI ($3190 in chips)
GHOST0000 - Posts small blind $15
HARRYB007 - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FORTUNE500 [Ad Kd]
FORTUNE500 - Raises $90 to $90
TRENCHER61 - Folds
MARTYNKAKI - Folds
DOZBOLS - Folds
MELCAT3 - Calls $90
POKERBOB2006 - Folds
GHOST0000 - Folds
HARRYB007 - Calls $60
*** FLOP *** [7h Ac Qh]
HARRYB007 - Checks
FORTUNE500 - Bets $210
MELCAT3 - Raises $420 to $420
HARRYB007 - Folds
FORTUNE500 - ??

No real read here... but it's very early in the tournament. Do I find a better spot, or should I push?

[bode]

this early, with not much time invested, i think i push this and try to get an early chip lead.

[Rondavu]

Push because you're ahead a lot.

[dreday]

$11 on AP...

Table: 9788970 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DOZBOLS ($1130 in chips)
Seat 2 - MELCAT3 ($1600 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERBOB2006 ($1860 in chips)
Seat 5 - GHOST0000 ($1210 in chips)
Seat 6 - HARRYB007 ($1760 in chips)
Seat 7 - FORTUNE500 ($1370 in chips)
Seat 8 - TRENCHER61 ($1380 in chips)
Seat 9 - MARTYNKAKI ($3190 in chips)
GHOST0000 - Posts small blind $15
HARRYB007 - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FORTUNE500 [Ad Kd]
FORTUNE500 - Raises $90 to $90
TRENCHER61 - Folds
MARTYNKAKI - Folds
DOZBOLS - Folds
MELCAT3 - Calls $90
POKERBOB2006 - Folds
GHOST0000 - Folds
HARRYB007 - Calls $60
*** FLOP *** [7h Ac Qh]
HARRYB007 - Checks
FORTUNE500 - Bets $210
MELCAT3 - Raises $420 to $420
HARRYB007 - Folds
FORTUNE500 - ??

No real read here... but it's very early in the tournament. Do I find a better spot, or should I push?

Villan may have hit a set of 7s. ITs tough to get away from this if Im you. I may go broke here and pay the guy off, villan may also have AQ,AJ,A10....A7. You beat most hands here.

[Rondavu]

Villain may have A2

[dreday]

this early, with not much time invested, i think i push this and try to get an early chip lead.

Good point. Does it sting less busting out early when you took a shot at a quick double up or grindindg it out for an hour only to have your AQ get busted by A7 on the bubble?

[dreday]

Villain may have A2

at the 11s, i wouldnt doubt it, lol.

[Fortune 500]

Thanks for the tips guys. I've been away from the online game for a few months, and just wanted to make sure i'm not getting sloppy. Unfortunately, this game is not like riding a bike. You get out of practice, and you start to make little errors.

I pushed over top here, despite a sick feeling I was beat. Just wanted to hear that my play wasn't overzealous.

[dreday]

Thanks for the tips guys. I've been away from the online game for a few months, and just wanted to make sure i'm not getting sloppy. Unfortunately, this game is not like riding a bike. You get out of practice, and you start to make little errors.

I pushed over top here, despite a sick feeling I was beat. Just wanted to hear that my play wasn't overzealous.

WHat did villan have. I feel like you began to tell me a joke and left out the punchline!!

[Fortune 500]

villain had exactly what I feared he had: AQ. He filled his boat on the turn and sunk my battleship.

[dreday]

villain had exactly what I feared he had: AQ. He filled his boat on the turn and sunk my battleship.

Oh well, in the long run you'll be okay making this play.

[LionsFan20]

fwiw, I think you made the right play. You are ahead here a lot more than you're behind.

His flat call of your pfr could mean anything from dueces to 98s. His range of hands here is so wide that AQ, AJ, AT, Axs, 77 and any mid-high suited connector could be in play.

There's certainly and arguement to be made for folding based solely on the fact that it's early and you'll have plenty of opporunities to get those 300 chips back - but I probably push this as well - thinking that there's only two hands that can beat me... 77 and AQ. QQ is out almost of the question... most players would repop you with QQ preflop.

[Pants_101]

Would you not start to narrow his range considerably once he re-raises the flop?

[Fortune 500]

Would you not start to narrow his range considerably once he re-raises the flop?

Absolutely it does. i'm not sure it narrows to the point that this is a fold, particularly at the $11 level. I didn't get reraised, so I'm discounting QQ and AA. you're probably looking at 77 as the only pair that can logically make this reraise post flop, but you could be looking at A7, or AT+. Really, any ace at this level.

flush draw is also not entirely impossible, but I suspect that most at the 11s are incapable of a "free card play" here.

[LionsFan20]

Yes, his range narrows quite a bit with the raise - but not much. A min raise can mean so many different things it's really about reads on the player making the min raise. A raise with some balls behind it would have given us a lot more information.

Agressive players tend to min raise when they are weak. Tight players tend to min raise when they are stong. Not knowing the villain's style it's safe to assume that he's playing HOH TAG-ish, which probably narrows it down to ATs-AKs, ATo-AKo, 77-JJ. Run that through PS and hero is about 69%. I think that's worth a push to get that big of a lead early.

It's possible villan could be min-raising with a straight draw trying to figure out how strong his opponent is, so hands like JTs, JTo, KJs, KJo are (remote) possiblities as well. Add those hands into the mix and hero is 73%.

[Pants_101]

Fair enough. If you'd got it all in pre-flop and lost to AQ that would be a bad beat right? So is this still a bad beat or does seeing the flop make it your fault? Or just bad luck? Just wondering how people look at it when you push this and get beat.

Not sure I see the argument about pushing because it's early in the tournament. Surely you are trying to win whatever the stage and your descisions are based purely on cards, position, stack sizes, blind levels and reads. Not time spent playing?

[Fortune 500]

Fair enough. If you'd got it all in pre-flop and lost to AQ that would be a bad beat right? So is this still a bad beat or does seeing the flop make it your fault? Or just bad luck? Just wondering how people look at it when you push this and get beat.

Not sure I see the argument about pushing because it's early in the tournament. Surely you are trying to win whatever the stage and your descisions are based purely on cards, position, stack sizes, blind levels and reads. Not time spent playing?

I define a bad beat as when you lose when you got the money in ahead. Here, i got the money in behind, technically. So even on the recieving side of it, I wouldn't call it a bad beat, I would just call it bad luck.

I don't even think his call with AQ preflop is unreasonable.

I got a bit unlucky, but that's poker. I'm not concerned that I got beat, just rather or not I played it right.

[dreday]

Fair enough. If you'd got it all in pre-flop and lost to AQ that would be a bad beat right? So is this still a bad beat or does seeing the flop make it your fault? Or just bad luck? Just wondering how people look at it when you push this and get beat.

Not sure I see the argument about pushing because it's early in the tournament. Surely you are trying to win whatever the stage and your descisions are based purely on cards, position, stack sizes, blind levels and reads. Not time spent playing?

Its definately not a bad beat, aq was the best hand when all the money was in. I think the argument for pushing in theis situation is most of the time you will be ahead and increase your chances of cashing by doubling up early. It makes up for the times when your behind and bust out, thats what your BR is for. Fire up another one. If this was a deep stack tourney then Id would consider folding.

[LionsFan20]

Just plain ol' bad luck. Sometimes you're just going to lose all of your chips. Like someone else said, move on and open up another one.