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  1. #1

    Default Snipped from high stakes sit and go

    What's the idea behind this move? Is this standard? Is it a correct mathematical call against any two random cards? I've noticed these guys play so many coinflips its unbelievable. Is this the way to go?

    My reasoning would be to fold and save the chips for a better hand, then again my recent stagnation at sng's tells me I have much more to learn.

    PokerStars Game #6864473086: Tournament #34987917, $525+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/11/02 - 11:46:11 (ET)
    Table '34987917 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 2: banzaiii (1530 in chips)
    Seat 3: LUHMAN (1745 in chips)
    Seat 4: Sonsbiggestf (1395 in chips)
    Seat 5: JSMDLife (1965 in chips)
    Seat 6: ontilt71982 (2400 in chips)
    Seat 7: JohnnyBax (2065 in chips)
    Seat 8: Halfrek (615 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hassan (1785 in chips)
    Halfrek: posts small blind 100
    Hassan: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    banzaiii: folds
    LUHMAN: folds
    Sonsbiggestf: folds
    JSMDLife: folds
    ontilt71982 has timed out
    ontilt71982: folds
    ontilt71982 is sitting out
    JohnnyBax: folds
    ontilt71982 has returned
    Halfrek: raises 400 to 600
    Hassan: raises 400 to 1000
    Halfrek: calls 15 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [7s 5d Jc]
    *** TURN *** [7s 5d Jc] [Tc]
    *** RIVER *** [7s 5d Jc Tc] [4c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Halfrek: shows [Kh 4s] (a pair of Fours)
    Hassan: shows [6c Ts] (a pair of Tens)
    Hassan collected 1230 from pot
  2. #2
    purely good odds, no random hand is worse than 2:1 HU.

    just that itll hurt bigger stack if he loses.
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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  4. #4
    The pot is offering Hassan 1.96:1 odds, since there's effectively 815 in the pot and it costs him 415 to call. He needs to win about 34% of the time to break even, since 1/2.96 = 415/1230 = about 34%. This means he should definitely call if he thinks Halfrek could have absolutely anything (a truly random hand). If he thinks Halfrek is more conservative, and probably has two higher cards, the call becomes break-even or slightly negative. And if he thinks Halfrek probably has a pair, and that the pair is probably higher than 6, then the call will lose him money. Play around with different matchups in Pokerstove (http://www.pokerstove.com/) to get a feel for the odds.

    72o is about 36% against a random hand. If you are sure your opponent is pushing any two cards, making a call like this one will be (very) slightly profitable in the long run.

    It's important to know your opponents. In a $10 SNG, lots of your opponents will not push with any two cards. They'll let themselves get blinded down while they wait for a hand they really like. These calls are a lot worse against opponents like that.

    As for taking coinflips:
    In the high stakes game, the opponents are good. You may have to take small edges against them, since you can't be sure that they'll give you a chance to take huge edges against them, and if you never take any edges at all then you'll be blinded out. In the low stakes game, many of the opponents are bad. You can get away with passing up small edges, since you will probably get offered a huge edge sometime soon.
  5. #5
    standard play by 2 of the best online players
  6. #6
    I've heard the name JOHNNYBAX...

    is he a pocket5's poster?
  7. #7
    He's the most popular online mtt player. He was ranked #1 on P5s for over a year. Go to www.thepokerdb.com and search his name.

    He also has a WSOP bracelet in Stud.

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