2 difficult hands (for me) - need comments

[jimmy44]

Guys,

Could you please review the following hands?

-----Hand 1-----
Hero's M = 49.67
PokerStars Game #6951436980: Tournament #35477866, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/09 - 02:27:45 (ET)
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Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
xBIGxJOHNx: posts small blind 10
AceUVsPaDeS: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
KicksnBalls: folds
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80
xBIGxJOHNx: calls 70
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ad Ts]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: bets 90
xBIGxJOHNx: calls 90
*** TURN *** [Ac Ad Ts] [5s]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac Ad Ts 5s] [Kd]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: ????

I always seem to have a problem when I hold hands like QQ or KK and flop comes A. By default I c-bet these. I know that some of you guys will check/fold from

a bet.
On the river would you have bet?
I could not think that OPP had an A as he's being very passive (maybe slow playing though, however the check on the river, says: I don't have an ace).

However, he could easily have KT or KQ/KJ/K9/K8.



-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 44.00
PokerStars Game #6951461385: Tournament #35477866, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/09 - 02:31:33 (ET)
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Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1670 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (920 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (2280 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
cramer22: posts small blind 10
The_Goat37: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Qc]
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80
xBIGxJOHNx: folds
AceUVsPaDeS: calls 80
KicksnBalls: calls 80
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Kh Qs]
Hero: bets 150
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
KicksnBalls: calls 150
*** TURN *** [7c Kh Qs] [9s]
Hero: ????

Another difficult hand for me. Do you bet the flop having only middle pair and two over cards?
For me, villain's range would be AK/AQ/KQ/KJ or even A7/77/KK/QQ ...
Do you check/fold on the turn, or you try to take a stab?


Thanks!

[Da GOAT]

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Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
xBIGxJOHNx: posts small blind 10
AceUVsPaDeS: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
KicksnBalls: folds
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80 make it 60 since you want actionxBIGxJOHNx: calls 70
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ad Ts]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: bets 90 bet a bit more
xBIGxJOHNx: calls 90
*** TURN *** [Ac Ad Ts] [5s]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: checks hmm i bet again maybe with reads, less likely he has an Ace since we see 2 of them. if he calls again i know where i stand
*** RIVER *** [Ac Ad Ts 5s] [Kd]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: ???? just check since K beats u now.



-----Hand 2-----

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Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1670 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (920 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (2280 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
cramer22: posts small blind 10
The_Goat37: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Qc]
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80 okay
xBIGxJOHNx: folds
AceUVsPaDeS: calls 80
KicksnBalls: calls 80
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Kh Qs]
Hero: bets 150 EH hmm okay but bets a bit small again
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
KicksnBalls: calls 150
*** TURN *** [7c Kh Qs] [9s]
Hero: ???? check 9 is not a good card for you, flushes strights and kings OH MY!!

Another difficult hand for me. Do you bet the flop having only middle pair and two over cards??????

[jimmy44]

FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
xBIGxJOHNx: posts small blind 10
AceUVsPaDeS: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
KicksnBalls: folds
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80 make it 60 since you want actionxBIGxJOHNx: calls 70
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ad Ts]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: bets 90 bet a bit more
xBIGxJOHNx: calls 90
*** TURN *** [Ac Ad Ts] [5s]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: checks hmm i bet again maybe with reads, less likely he has an Ace since we see 2 of them. if he calls again i know where i stand
*** RIVER *** [Ac Ad Ts 5s] [Kd]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: ???? just check since K beats u now.

The problem I had in betting let's say 120 or 150 is that I would be burning chips if he has an ace. The 90 bet should be enough (I think) in the beginning of $6.5 SNG to scare people off, mainly with two AA, am I wrong?
On the turn, I agree it's less likely that he had an Ace, but even so, if he does I'll burn more chips ...

-----Hand 2-----
FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1670 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (920 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (2280 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
cramer22: posts small blind 10
The_Goat37: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Qc]
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80 okay
xBIGxJOHNx: folds
AceUVsPaDeS: calls 80
KicksnBalls: calls 80
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Kh Qs]
Hero: bets 150 EH hmm okay but bets a bit small again
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
KicksnBalls: calls 150
*** TURN *** [7c Kh Qs] [9s]
Hero: ???? check 9 is not a good card for you, flushes strights and kings OH MY!!

Here I have the same issue as before, putting more chips on the flop (like for example 200) would not have scared him of, am I wrong?

Another difficult hand for me. Do you bet the flop having only middle pair and two over cards??????

I forgot the end of the sentence: "two over cards on the flop"

[ShowMeAtlas]

Guys,

Could you please review the following hands?

-----Hand 1-----
Hero's M = 49.67
PokerStars Game #6951436980: Tournament #35477866, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/09 - 02:27:45 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from

FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
xBIGxJOHNx: posts small blind 10
AceUVsPaDeS: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
KicksnBalls: folds
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80
xBIGxJOHNx: calls 70
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ad Ts]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: bets 90 [Ask yourself, would I do this if I really had an A? There are no draws. If so, then this is fine. If not, it depends whether villain believes you whcih most donk won't]
xBIGxJOHNx: calls 90
*** TURN *** [Ac Ad Ts] [5s]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac Ad Ts 5s] [Kd]
xBIGxJOHNx: checks
Hero: ???? [Check, there are too many hands that beat you now]

I always seem to have a problem when I hold hands like QQ or KK and flop comes A. By default I c-bet these. I know that some of you guys will check/fold from

a bet.
On the river would you have bet?
I could not think that OPP had an A as he's being very passive (maybe slow playing though, however the check on the river, says: I don't have an ace).

However, he could easily have KT or KQ/KJ/K9/K8.



-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 44.00
PokerStars Game #6951461385: Tournament #35477866, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/09 - 02:31:33 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from

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Table '35477866 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pokanot (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: xBIGxJOHNx (1670 in chips)
Seat 4: AceUVsPaDeS (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: KicksnBalls (920 in chips)
Seat 6: mark775 (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: cramer22 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: The_Goat37 (2280 in chips)
Seat 9: aviel_chow (1500 in chips)
cramer22: posts small blind 10
The_Goat37: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Qc]
aviel_chow: folds
pokanot: folds
Hero: raises 60 to 80
xBIGxJOHNx: folds
AceUVsPaDeS: calls 80
KicksnBalls: calls 80
mark775: folds
cramer22: folds
The_Goat37: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Kh Qs]
Hero: bets 150 [Yes I defnitely bet this flop, but maybe about 200 or so]
AceUVsPaDeS: folds
KicksnBalls: calls 150
*** TURN *** [7c Kh Qs] [9s]
Hero: ???? [Out of all the hands in the villain's range that you describe below, you can only beat one, so FOLD!!!!!!!!!]

Another difficult hand for me. Do you bet the flop having only middle pair and two over cards?
For me, villain's range would be AK/AQ/KQ/KJ or even A7/77/KK/QQ ...
Do you check/fold on the turn, or you try to take a stab?


Thanks!

[Da GOAT]

[Ask yourself, would I do this if I really had an A? There are no draws. If so, then this is fine. If not, it depends whether villain believes you whcih most donk won't][/b]

if i had an Ace id bet. dont wanna give free cards here, small PP could still call a bet plus A,T.

[johnny_fish]

Hand 1: 2/3 pot or check the flop (I like betting a little bit better because of KJ/QJ/KQ), check turn, check river. You could've made a thin value bet if it wasn't a K.

Hand 2: Just a bit more on the flop. Checking once in a while can't hurt either. As played, c/f turn. Maybe call a small bet.

edit: There's no reason to represent the Ace in hand 1. Why bluff with the best hand? Also betting the turn 'to see where you stand' is horrible.

[Da GOAT]

edit: There's no reason to represent the Ace in hand 1. Why bluff with the best hand? Also betting the turn 'to see where you stand' is horrible.

yeah your right, if he was to call again im probably beat and its drawless board so very few hands we beat will call me.

[nickthefool]

I think you have to make your flop bets slightly larger to avoid the tough turn decisions like these.

Your problem is that because you did not bet a massive amount, you think villain might be calling with a range you beat.

Think about what you are trying to accomplish with your flop bets. IMHO you should be taking one of 2 lines -

Bet to try and take pot down on the flop.
ie - bet a bit more than you did here, looking for a fold, and if you get called you're check/folding, unless it's to a weak bet (1/2 pot or less)

Bet for value.
ie - bet about 1/2 pot on the flop, as you did, so that draws get bad odds but still may call, and worse made hands may call. Bet turn 1/2 pot ish if flop was called, probably fold if raised w/o read. If turn is called river depends a lot on how the board looks, can be tricky.

The first option is much less likely to provide tricky decisions than the 2nd IMO, but against someone who you know will call with mid pair or a draw the 2nd option is often one i will use.

First hand i 120-150 on flop, as played bet turn, check behind on river if called.
2nd hand i bet 200 on flop if i'm betting, may just check and see what happens with that flop though. As played definately check turn.