I thoght this was a shove everytime (nearly) (6.5$)

[anarchoi]

As stated previously im trying to get used to these turbos....I thought this was a shove with any 2, unless I have a special read on the blindes which say they call a lot of pushes / raises

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t2715)
UTG (t3285)
MP (t1330)
Hero (t1090)
SB (t5080)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 8.
2 folds, Hero ???,

[Da GOAT]

what makes you think its not a shove?

[anarchoi]

My sensai in these turbos : Taipan168

[Da GOAT]

My sensai in these turbos : Taipan168

haha i push unless its proven wrong!!! ive pushed much worse god-awful hands here depending on reads. BTW i swap HH with tai.

only way i figure its not a push is coz of SB massive stack.

maybe tai can show us the SNGPT verdict.

[taipan168]

haha i push unless its proven wrong!!! ive pushed much worse god-awful hands here depending on reads. BTW i swap HH with tai.

...so Goat knows that I am the master of missing any two card pushes! It's a leak that I'm trying to fix at the moment.

only way i figure its not a push is coz of SB massive stack.

maybe tai can show us the SNGPT verdict.

I think the fact that (from memory because I railed anarchoi here) SB was playing loose was the reason I thought it was a fold. If the blinds call with 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+ it is a push (+0.4%), if they call with 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs it is a fold (-0.2%).

Still, even if they are loose it is not very -EV so I don't think it's a huge mistake to push here. Probably another example of the sort of push I miss.

[Da GOAT]

haha i push unless its proven wrong!!! ive pushed much worse god-awful hands here depending on reads. BTW i swap HH with tai.

...so Goat knows that I am the master of missing any two card pushes! It's a leak that I'm trying to fix at the moment.

BTW i wasnt trying to imply this. you know urself and no need for me to advertise it.

only way i figure its not a push is coz of SB massive stack.

maybe tai can show us the SNGPT verdict.

I think the fact that (from memory because I railed anarchoi here) SB was playing loose was the reason I thought it was a fold. If the blinds call with 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+ it is a push (+0.4%), if they call with 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs it is a fold (-0.2%).

hmm it is quite loose plus he is big stack, but for me not to push then i got to see him call raises with bad hands like Q9,K7 etc (just off the top of my head range to make my point)

Still, even if they are loose it is not very -EV so I don't think it's a huge mistake to push here. Probably another example of the sort of push I miss.

true

[anarchoi]

Thanks.

Seems like a veeery close one...

[taipan168]

BTW i wasnt trying to imply this. you know urself and no need for me to advertise it.

No man, don't worry - I want everybody to know this so they can tell me when I'm missing pushes! No stress.

[johnny_fish]

meh, I'd fold it, but it's close.

[drmcboy]

image dependent for me. If you just shove two hands ago, or if you lost half your stack betting a gut shot and had to show, I give it up. If I feel like I have been quiet, I like push. We are unlikely to be called with a hand with a 7 or 8 and these guys won't have big pairs that often.

I am very troubled lately by these post that seem to indicate you're all making plays based onwhether it is a turbo or not. EV is EV.

[Da GOAT]

I am very troubled lately by these post that seem to indicate you're all making plays based onwhether it is a turbo or not. EV is EV.

i dont think ive notice any ''its a turbo, push'', certainly didnt give that advise tho i know your not pointing any fingers. EV is EV