JJ against a 3 bet

[Champika]

BB is 38/18/2.5

I have $250
Villain has $280

I really struggle to play JJ against reraises. Is preflop and flop fine?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, BB raises to $24, Hero calls.

Flop: 5 Q 6 ($49, 2 players)
BB bets $38, Hero calls.

Turn: A ($125, 2 players)
BB is all-in $227.9, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $227.9 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $125

[Warpe]

Just fold the flop. You're chasing a 2-outer.

[thnwkd]

Just fold the flop. You're chasing a 2-outer.

agreed.

[Renton]

i play this identically

[Warpe]

i play this identically

wtf for? Reraise, near-pot size lead out...we're only ahead of TT/AJ/AK...Calling the flop here is spew imo, even with the backdoor flush outs.

[Renton]

the only case that can be made for folding the flop is the fact that we raised from early position.

This guys threebetting range from the blinds is probably much wider than AK, JJ+, i would guess that its more like 99+ AJ+ (typical of a laggish player. This basically means we're ahead of his range on the flop. We also have position.

By the way, this is only my opinion. Reraised pots are a very uncertain portion of my sixmax game, as evidenced by the thread i posted regarding this in the shorthanded nl forum, and also as evidenced by my miniscule winrate at sixmax.

[mcatdog]

I play it the same also. I think folding the flop is bad unless you're up against a nit or a loose-passive player.

[Warpe]

I play it the same also. I think folding the flop is bad unless you're up against a nit or a loose-passive player.

I'm not saying I autofold here, but he's showing pretty good strength. If we're calling, we're looking for him to slow down on the turn, I take it?

[mcatdog]

Yep and if he doesn't have us beat, he needs to slow down because we're also just calling the flop with AA and sets sometimes. JJ is one of the worst hands I'd call the flop with but I think he'll slow down often enough that you can safely call and hope to show it down. I don't like calling the flop with much smaller of a pair because he might slow down on the turn with a hand that still beats us.

[ChrisTheFish]

Yep and if he doesn't have us beat, he needs to slow down because we're also just calling the flop with AA and sets sometimes. JJ is one of the worst hands I'd call the flop with but I think he'll slow down often enough that you can safely call and hope to show it down. I don't like calling the flop with much smaller of a pair because he might slow down on the turn with a hand that still beats us.

I totally agree, but then again i float way too often. OOP sucks and most people will give up once they fire a barrel and get called.

[Fnord]

The key here is both what he thinks of our OOP raise (does he think) and how often he re-raises out of position. 18PFR is quite loose/aggro, but he still might be a total rock in this spot.

The post-flop play in this one is really weird.