Operation: $3007 by 2007

[FlyingSaucy]

God it feels good to give myself a real operation now that I'm done with my previous one. I wanted to set an aggressive goal that I think is still within reason. Assuming that with everyone yelling "the sky is falling!" about the industry are incorrect, here is my operation:


Operation $3007 by 2007
Current BR: $1800


So I've got $1200 to gain in 3 months. I plan to remain focused on 1 table SnG's. If I can sustain a 30% ROI, this means I will win $9.90 per game and therefore I will need to play 122 games at this ROI rate before end of year (13 weeks, which comes to 9-10 games per week - pretty reasonable for my schedule). That is a heck of a demanding ROI to sustain for me, but I think if I focus in and concentrate on single tabling, I can do it.

I figure I will not be rolled for the $55s until BR is at least $3k, so I will likely be playing almost exclusively the single table $33's throughout my operation, with maybe an occasional shot at the 20 table $22's once I get the roll over $2.5k.

Taggs are likely to describe playing no limit hold 'em as practicing an art form, and laggs are likely to describe it as going to war. The truth is that it's both. I'm striving to practice controlled aggression. Aggression is the warfare, and control is the art form.

FS

[ShowMeAtlas]

I really think you should start 2-tabling. (at least)

[GatorJH]

I really think you should start 2-tabling. (at least)

I agree. I started two tabling about 3-4 months ago and found that I can still focus on reads, etc. with two tables. It also allows me to stay focused and patient as I tend to get cards in one game while the other hits a dry spell. When I played one at a time it seemed like I would get impatient when I went through a couple of orbits with unplayable hands. Two tabling helps prevent that.

[ShowMeAtlas]

I really think you should start 2-tabling. (at least)

I agree. I started two tabling about 3-4 months ago and found that I can still focus on reads, etc. with two tables. It also allows me to stay focused and patient as I tend to get cards in one game while the other hits a dry spell. When I played one at a time it seemed like I would get impatient when I went through a couple of orbits with unplayable hands. Two tabling helps prevent that.

exactly

EDIT: SOrry, completely OT, but can someone tell me what WPP means (under my user details)? Thanks

[Anon.E.Moose]

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[Anon.E.Moose]

And as far as your operation, Saucy, Atlas and Gator are right on - two tabling really helps, without taking away from your concentration

[arl1984]

2-table max ... SNG's are a fairly straight-foward mechanical game, but multi-tabling takes a lot of practice to perfect. I've had some of my worst SNG runs multi-tabling.

Good luck reaching $3007!

[givememyleg]

You should just make it easy on yourself... $2007 by 2007!

GL man!!

[fasin8ing]

Saucy .. Good luck ...

Hooker = Fish
Pimp= You

Heres some more motivation for you .. Not like you need it or anything..

[donkbee]

I suck at two tabling when both tables become short handed

Good luck with your endeavor, FS.

[Dice Man]

As your setting yourself a target Saucy, here's my upcoming ( 1 time only ) 4 week schedule

My current ROI is in the low 20's for these $5.50 sng's. I like to have a target ROI . I alway's set it on the low side to avoid being disappointed.

@ 15% ROI / 15 Hours/Day ( 900 Min) / 40 Min/Table ( Turbo )

2 - Tabling:
$5.50:
= 44 Tournaments/Day
= 308 Tournaments/Week
= 1.232 Tournaments/4 Weeks

= $ 6.776.00 - Total Buy-Ins
= $ 1.016.40/4 Weeks @ 15% ROI

If achieved, i'll be moving up to the $16's @stars and playing a maximum of 10 hours/day. but with plenty of day's off.

[TLR]

Good luck FS.

However I think 30% ROI is a very high expection at mid level Sngs, and if you only plan to play around 150 or so Sngs variance can have a major effect on your results, regardless of how good you play.
I think you should plan to play at least 300 Sngs to have a good shut at reaching your goal, I would give 2 tabling a try

[FlyingSaucy]

Thanks for your comments, and now that I'm thinking about it, I do think I'm being pretty damn aggressive with the 30% ROI. I might have to add in a month or so to my target complete date to accomodate a potentially lower ROI.

The main thing I'm trying to do with this operation is to make sure I'm 100% focussed in every game I play. Right now 2 tabling disrupts that concentration, so I don't want to do that right now. I'd rather take more time with the operation than try to push it too fast.

[FlyingSaucy]

Alright, I just decided to buy myself a couple months, since it was pretty aggressive goal and I wanted to balance it with some realism. Thanks for the feedback - I think it's for the best to make this modification. Oh yea, and I actually do 2 table it sometimes. What I like to do is when one game starts getting short handed, pop open another since the new game is going to be a lot of folding preflop anyway. It's just harder to watch the action and pick out the weak players if I'm concentrating on the short handed game.

Anyway, it has officially become Operation $3007 by 03/07

[JeffreyGB]

FWIW, I've always preferred to be overly aggressive with my goals. If it doesn't pan out, then it doens't pan out, but if it does, you're a hell of a lot further ahead being aggressive with them.

(And so far, only the latest hasn't panned out, which IMO is strictly a result of my near-empty poker schedule...I played all of 6 days last month; gg grad school).

[johnny_fish]

Try adding more tables. You're never going to make a lot of money 2-tabling.

It all depends what your long term goal with poker is. If it's maximizing profit: add tables, move up fast and WTFPWN teh fi$h!!111!!1

[FlyingSaucy]

hot damn! I discovered ring. I'm not sure what this means for my operation. I think i'll make less $ per hour playing ring, but im really starting to like 4 tabling $25 NL on stars. I might mix it up instead of sngs. maybe still do sngs here and there, and a $11 180 sng whenever i can fit one in.

I worry about losing focus but at the same time, I'm really feeling motivated by ring now that I feel like my postflop skills are getting honed.

huh/ where do we go from here?

Current br only still at $1.8k

[jdubs]

Sounds like we are at similar levels BR wise. I have just started trying some 33s, My roll is 1.3K .. I mostly play 22s though, and will be playing those 11$ 180s now that they're available. I set a goal months back of 2K by my birthday (11/07), and I really want to get there! Anyways, GL man.. see you at the 2 table 22s

JD

[biondino]

If you are running at 5BB/100 at $25NL (and tbh you should be, after you get used to it), then you'll need to put in a smidge under 50k hands by the new year to achieve your goal. Doable?

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with mixing up SNGs and ring, as long as you are equally focused on both, you don't do it when tilting or feeling hard done by, and you don't treat one or the other as less serious or requiring less effort. Gl!

[FlyingSaucy]

Does anyone think 1.8k is overrolled for $25NL?

[biondino]

Well yes, but if you've only just switched to ring you should get at least five figures of hands under your belt before you move up.

[dreday]

Alright, I just decided to buy myself a couple months, since it was pretty aggressive goal and I wanted to balance it with some realism. Thanks for the feedback - I think it's for the best to make this modification. Oh yea, and I actually do 2 table it sometimes. What I like to do is when one game starts getting short handed, pop open another since the new game is going to be a lot of folding preflop anyway. It's just harder to watch the action and pick out the weak players if I'm concentrating on the short handed game.

Anyway, it has officially become Operation $3007 by 03/07

How has that worked for You, firing up another table while shorhanded on the inital one?

I've been trying to find a good time frame to be able to perfom while multi-tabling. Like most I have trouble multi-tabling when both become shorthanded.

[bearcats05]

Does anyone think 1.8k is overrolled for $25NL?

yes very. 50nl is very easy to beat play there and pretty soon you will be playing 100nl.

[FlyingSaucy]

Update on my operation -
I've been 4-6 tabling $50 NL at UB while slowly clearing a bonus, and have found it far more consistently profitable than any level of sngs I've ever played. Even the $5's and $1's.
At this rate it looks like I'll reach my operation complete much sooner than my goal of 3/7.

Current roll $2.6 k

[martindcx1e]

another discovers the beauty of ring games...

[b-rabbit]

just go for all the glory...put your entire roll on the line in a heads up match. if you win...you'll surpass your goal. if you lose...well just win. you'll thank me later

[FlyingSaucy]

sweet!

operation complete. although i will admit that I hit the happy end of variance to put me over the edge:

PokerStars Tournament #36472991, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $20.00/$2.00
180 players
Total Prize Pool: $3600.00
Tournament started - 2006/11/22 - 23:54:44 (ET)

Dear FlyingSaucy,

You finished the tournament in 3rd place.
A $428.40 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

You earned 178.65 tournament leader points in this tournament.
For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at
http://www.pokerstars.com/tlb_tournament_rankings.html


Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.

current roll $3075

[JeffreyGB]

Congrats man! Good job. What are your plans now? Continue tearing up ring? Run some SnGs? MTTs? Any new goals in mind?

[FlyingSaucy]

ty sir- yes after the tourn was over I immediately started thinking about "what's next."
I have a passion for small tournament play, although not a ton of experience in big mtts. I think my sng experience really honed my skills for late game mtts, and at the same time whet my appetite for the massive prize pools and high fish % that you can find in big MTTs, so I think I might try to figure out a way to play some MTT (although scheduling them in is fairly rare given my day job, family, etc).

However I've found over about 15k hands of ring at $50NL that it is extremely profitable. I probably will continue to work on my ring game, use profit to fund MTTs whenever I can fit them in, and throw in a sng here and there to make sure i keep my late game skills in tact.

One question I have is bankroll. I wonder if now is a good time to move to 100NL, with 30 buyins, or if it is premature given that I am pretty new to full ring still. Maybe I'll ask around the forums and see... I am a little leary to jump into it with only 30 buy ins, so maybe I will wait a bit longer so that it is not a premature jump that might affect my play.

[Warpe]

One question I have is bankroll. I wonder if now is a good time to move to 100NL, with 30 buyins, or if it is premature given that I am pretty new to full ring still. Maybe I'll ask around the forums and see... I am a little leary to jump into it with only 30 buy ins, so maybe I will wait a bit longer so that it is not a premature jump that might affect my play.

You're rolled so do it. Play is not much different from 50nl. You have the chops and you can always move down if you're intimidated. Just don't move up if you think you'll be playing with scared money. Alternatively, make a move to 50nl 6-max. That will improve your game immensely.

[FlyingSaucy]

Alternatively, make a move to 50nl 6-max. That will improve your game immensely.

How so? Wouldn't it just improve my short handed game? 6max intrigues me but there's no way I could 5 or 6 table it. 3 or 4, tops.

[Da GOAT]

saucy you've opened my eyes to ring games, christ its a gold mine!! playing 25NL. skill level of opp's is pure fishy (2 hr sample tho but up 3-4 buyins)

[FlyingSaucy]

Yes. The guides in the ring forums are dead-on. I wouldnt expect that kind of upswing the whole way, but definitely 1/4 buy-in per hour 6 tabling is what I'm seeing so far. That's like 10 BB's/hour 6 tabling. I was surprised. I'm not sure what I should be expecting but will definitely stick to it. Also I should probably buy PT one of these days. gl!

Side note, Warpe: I tried 6 max just as an experiment for about an hour today at 25NL, and it was juicy. I can see what you mean about expanding my game. I think I understand some of the key differences between 6 max and ring but it is still a bit more frightening for a full ring camper like myself. Thankfully I was just fooling around playing way overrolled.

[Da GOAT]

Yes. The guides in the ring forums are dead-on. I wouldnt expect that kind of upswing the whole way, but definitely 1/4 buy-in per hour 6 tabling is what I'm seeing so far. That's like 10 BB's/hour 6 tabling. I was surprised. I'm not sure what I should be expecting but will definitely stick to it. Also I should probably buy PT one of these days. gl!

Side note, Warpe: I tried 6 max just as an experiment for about an hour today at 25NL, and it was juicy. I can see what you mean about expanding my game. I think I understand some of the key differences between 6 max and ring but it is still a bit more frightening for a full ring camper like myself. Thankfully I was just fooling around playing way overrolled.

ok im only up a buyin now

will stick at it and post some. i get FPS a bit at these. i suppose just staying tight and non-creative postflop is best since opp's are donks generally.